jesus is god......lmao
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I already gave 3 earlier in the thread. If you want to go through them, I will be glad to.
But I ask, "What is the point?" Are you going to try to debunk my experiences one by one? Then are you going to head towards the Hindus? then the New Agers? then the UFOers? then the Satanists? then the animists?
No, that is your opinion on what is best, not what is best. You have no proof that your conclusion is the best. The odds of coincidence are less than the odds of a supreme being having orchestrated the universe.
Quote from LongShot:
To begin with,
The solution with simplest number of verifiable moving parts is besttherefore, COINCIDENCE is best answer for now.
Reasonble men, making up their own rules, using cirucular arguments to support answers to their unproven theories?
Verrrrry reasonable.
Verrrrry reasonable.
Quote from LongShot:
no not my opinion but the opinion of reasonable men & their rules of reason.
As to your second claim BWAHAHAHAHALove to see your "proof" on that one
That is actually quite complex. But here is a high-level summary of why I have maintained my faith over the years (in order from least important to most important):
Anthropological evidence
Geological evidence
Astronomical/cosmoligical evidence
Supernatural phenomenon
Moral/psychological evidence
Transformed lives of friends/family
Holy Spirit/Christology
This is a very bold claim, so I have to ask, "Where?"
Here is how most "everyday" people see atheism/humanism/materialsim: b-a-n-k-r-u-p-t. As I have pointed out, if you ask them what it stands for (and they are reasonably well read), they will say "one world government", "liberal politics", "moral relativism", etc.
You have a huge public relations nightmare here: to the great majority of knowledgeable Americans, atheism has little to no moral or ethical backbone. And please don't blame them - it's not their fault for having "little minds": it's the fault of the humanist engine that has driven our society for the last forty years.
Example: the ACLU, NEA, Planned Parenthood, etc. - all proudly humanist - have come up with their own 10 commandments:
1. Child pornography is not a good thing but it's even worse to prosecute for possession of it.
2. NAMBLA is a bad idea.
3. The death penalty is a horrendous violation of human rights (unless the human being is still inside the mother's womb).
5-10. It's wrong to come up with any more commandments because noone knows what is right anyway.
Am I wrong? I don't think so. This is very bad sign for naturalism. They have now had several centuries since the Enlightenment to come up with a cohesive moral, psychological and sociological base for society and their solutions have been disasters: liberal politics, global government, socialism/communism, etc., etc. (Yes, there's Bertrand Russell. But he is a tiny ship in an ocean of disproven and empty humanist philosophies.)
Look at the Greek philosophers - they came up with an impressive philosophical body of thought and a framework for society. I don't agree with a lot of it of course, but my point is that there is no such equivalent that I know of for materialism...
This seems hypocritical to me. Let's say you found out that there was a Creator, Savior, hell, etc. Based on your responses, I think that would still not choose God because you think he is unfair, unjust, etc.
You have already decided and now you are faulting God for making the very same decision that you have already made.