jesus is god......lmao

The parent accepts love, and then corrects behavior if wrong.

I am equating faith in God with loving God wholeheartedly, and giving what we have. Like a 3 year old gives what they have, it is taken in the spirit it is given.

A parent has lots of patience, and humans are imperfect. Perfect Patience always accepts, corrects, than gives another chance.

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This is a poor analogy because it assumes that there is no consequence to believing the wrong thing spiritually. You are equating faith in an incorrect belief system with the "drawing of a child". Religious beliefs have HUGE consequences. Just look at India and Bangledesh 40+ years ago.

A better example would be,"What if a child brought a glass of water to a parent polluted with water from a arsenic-laced well accidently?" Would the parent accept that as a gift?

Even this is not a good example because incorrect beliefs are not only self-deceptive but often personality-transforming. A belief in jihad, for example, can transform the personality of these men into a belief that is acceptable to kill innocent human beings (civilians). That's an extreme case, but every belief or virutally every belief changes mind and outlook...
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Faith in a creator....be it a "wooden statue".......do you think that your love is the same as mine??? then prove urs to be the correct one or the 'TRUE' love......you guys are talking about GOD or a creator or the lack of one...And im saying the only way to believe in a creator is to have 'FAITH'...you either do or you dont have 'FAITH'...this is my point... I am not here to prove that there is or isnt a creator, because neither you nor I can prove there is or there isnt.......hence the term 'FAITH' something of which needs no proof....

but hey you guys can keep it up thread after thread trying to dis prove each other....my bad, please do continue...
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All of your statements are assuming that there is no correct belief system which forces you to make several key assumptions:

1. It is impossible to ascertain spiritual truth (or there is no absolute spiritual truth).
2. Spiritual beliefs have no consequences.
3. Belief in an incorrect religion/philosophy has value even if the religion/philosphy is largely wrong.
4. You are assuming there are no spiritual entities behind religious belief systems.

Let me put it this way. My former belief system was occult. Now I'm not going to tell you for a second that I think that my occult beliefs were valuable just because I had faith in them! Quite the opposite: I think they almost destroyed my life and led to demonic oppression.
 
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This is a poor analogy because it assumes that there is no consequence to believing the wrong thing spiritually. You are equating faith in an incorrect belief system with the "drawing of a child". Religious beliefs have HUGE consequences. Just look at India and Bangledesh 40+ years ago.

A better example would be,"What if a child brought a glass of water to a parent polluted with water from a arsenic-laced well accidently?" Would the parent accept that as a gift?

Even this is not a good example because incorrect beliefs are not only self-deceptive but often personality-transforming. A belief in jihad, for example, can transform the personality of these men into a belief that is acceptable to kill innocent human beings (civilians). That's an extreme case, but every belief or virutally every belief changes mind and outlook...
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A belief in 'JIHAD' does not kill men....Man kills Man....some use 'FAITH' in order to recruit those who they think may hate ( poor unfortunate souls )...why dont we blame them???
 
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The parent accepts love, and then corrects behavior if wrong.

I am equating faith in God with loving God wholeheartedly, and giving what we have. Like a 3 year old gives what they have, it is taken in the spirit it is given.

A parent has lots of patience, and humans are imperfect. Perfect Patience always accepts, corrects, than gives another chance.
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I agree with you that God is patient and merciful and loving and tries to correct behavior. But this is a perfect example of diametrically opposed beliefs. No Christian would accept your statement above completely because he/she would require the first step of Jesus' sacrificial death and the ensuing indwelling of the Holy Spirit. No Christian that I know believes in the traditional "behavior modification" as the solution to the human condition.

This is unreconciliable with all other religions. Again, either Chrisitianity is right or it isn't. Hinduism (and occult/New Age) has its own completely different way: reincarnation, karma, etc. Islam yet another completely different way.

At some point you have to recognize the incompatibility of the world's religions...Even a casual study shows them to be mutually exclusive.
 
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All of your statements are assuming that there is no correct belief system which forces you to make several key assumptions:

1. It is impossible to ascertain spiritual truth (or there is no absolute spiritual truth).
2. Spiritual beliefs have no consequences.
3. Belief in an incorrect religion/philosophy has value even if the religion/philosphy is largely wrong.
4. You are assuming there are no spiritual entities behind religious belief systems.

Let me put it this way. My former belief system was occult. Now I'm not going to tell you for a second that I think that my occult beliefs were valuable just because I had faith in them! Quite the opposite: I think they almost destroyed my life and led to demonic oppression.
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so in short you lost 'FAITH'.....please reread what i have posted....you are assuming I am trying to prove something...all that I said was to believe you must have 'FAITH'...please prove that wrong...
 
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A belief in 'JIHAD' does not kill men....Man kills Man....some use 'FAITH' in order to recruit those who they think may hate ( poor unfortunate souls )...why dont we blame them???
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You're still avoiding my statement that incorrect beliefs have HUGE consequences. From what you are saying, it doesn't matter what you believe just so you believe. And to me that's completely illogical.

Can I do that in math? physics? psychology?

Why is it okay to do in religion?
 
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so in short you lost 'FAITH'.....please reread what i have posted....you are assuming I am trying to prove something...all that I said was to believe you must have 'FAITH'...please prove that wrong...
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Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying...if so, my apologies...
 
I don't care if Christians accept what I say or not. What Christ and God would accept would be of real importantance for a Christian, not what the followers say.

No, Christianity as it is practiced can be right, and others can be right too even if they appear different.

What a child learns at age 3 is different than age 5, 8, 16, 25, etc.

I see no incompatibility of education, people learn what they want at their different levels of development.

I accept all religions, as anyone who practices a path of acceptance does. They may not be for me, but that doesn't mean I reject them or the God of their understanding.

Your study is from the conceptual perspective of relativity, mine is from the conceptual perspective of the absolute.



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I agree with you that God is patient and merciful and loving and tries to correct behavior. But this is a perfect example of diametrically opposed beliefs. No Christian would accept your statement above completely because he/she would require the first step of Jesus' sacrificial death and the ensuing indwelling of the Holy Spirit. No Christian that I know believes in the traditional "behavior modification" as the solution to the human condition.

This is unreconciliable with all other religions. Again, either Chrisitianity is right or it isn't. Hinduism (and occult/New Age) has its own completely different way: reincarnation, karma, etc. Islam yet another completely different way.

At some point you have to recognize the incompatibility of the world's religions...Even a casual study shows them to be mutually exclusive.
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I don't care if Christians accept what I say or not. What Christ and God would accept would be of real importantance for a Christian, not what the followers say.

No, Christianity as it is practiced can be right, and others can be right too even if they appear different.

What a child learns at age 3 is different than age 5, 8, 16, 25, etc.

I see no incompatibility of education, people learn what they want at their different levels of development.

I accept all religions, as anyone who practices a path of acceptance does. They may not be for me, but that doesn't mean I reject them or the God of their understanding.

Your study is from the conceptual perspective of relativity, mine is from the conceptual perspective of the absolute.
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I'm not trying to push Christianity. I'm just agreeing with Longshot that religions are mutually exclusive. I'm also pointing out as I did to El Cubano that you are assuming:

1. It is impossible to ascertain spiritual truth (or there is no absolute spiritual truth).
2. Spiritual beliefs have no consequences.
3. Belief in an incorrect religion/philosophy has value even if the religion/philosphy is largely wrong.
4. You are assuming there are no spiritual entities behind religious belief systems.

These are HUGE assumptions and of course you are entitled to your own opinions.
 
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What a child learns at age 3 is different than age 5, 8, 16, 25, etc.

I see no incompatibility of education, people learn what they want at their different levels of development.

I accept all religions, as anyone who practices a path of acceptance does. They may not be for me, but that doesn't mean I reject them or the God of their understanding.
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This is definitely occult by the way: the belief that you have hidden knowledge - which I believe is the meaning of the word occult - that has lead you to God while the rest of the world is still in kindergarten, grade school, etc.

Another one of your posts led me to believe you may believe in reincarnation/karma. If this is so, why not just admit it?
 
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