jesus is god......lmao

ElCubano · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from LongShot:

you mean just believing something makes it true? seems pretty simple i will agree but how can you rely on it? people believe in many things, many beliefs contradict their neighbor's beliefs, how can two antithetical beliefs both be true? doesn't make [common]sense does it?? :eek:

FAITH me friend FAITH is all you need....whether it is true or not will never be known.....the WORLD is a big jungle amigo, I gaurantee you that FAITH is not the only thing that contradicts thy neighbor........

Gekko has never made money trading; what do you think keeps him plugging away????? certainly not common sense

ARogueTrader · Dec 29, 2003

Your have been to a movie, right?

What you see on the movie screen is the projected image. If the screen is not pure, the projected image is not pure.

If the screen is constantly changing, the image is not stable.

If the state of conscious is not stable, then we have different realities. Waking reality, sleeping reality, dreaming reality, drunk reality, etc.

We assume the most alert waking reality is the correct one, but on what basis do we come to that conclusion? Because we spend most of our time there? Some people spend most of their time drunk.

We come to that conclusion on the basis of the alert waking state, so the conclusion is 100% circular. There is no stable, independent platform to reach that conclusion.

So we form our beliefs and act accordingly, but this is not the same as starting from a state of consciousness which is pure and unchanging.

Get the picture?

Atheism is just another religion.

Quote from LongShot:

you'd better explain please it just to insure we are on same page.

LongShot · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from ElCubano:

FAITH me friend FAITH is all you need....whether it is true or not will never be known.....the WORLD is a big jungle amigo, I gaurantee you that FAITH is not the only thing that contradicts thy neighbor........

Gekko has never made money trading; what do you think keeps him plugging away????? certainly not common sense

two diametrically opposed FAITH's cannot co-exist can they?? how could one person "Faith" something true and his neighbor "Faith" the exact opposite into reality??

makes no [common] sense whatsoever

ElCubano · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from LongShot:

two diametrically opposed FAITH's cannot co-exist can they?? how could one person "Faith" something true and his neighbor "Faith" the exact opposite into reality??

makes no [common] sense whatsoever

it makes no sense yet it is reality.......hence the different RELIGIONS....

if FAITH doesnt need proof, then how do we know it is the 'TRUTH' you seek???

in order to find the truth you need proof...but according to websters FAITH needs no proof.....so whats ur point???

ShoeshineBoy · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from ElCubano:

it makes no sense yet it is reality.......hence the different RELIGIONS....

Boy, I never thought I'd agree with LongShot!

Assuming there's a God here are a few questions:

Why would He honor faith in a wooden statue or in any other belief system that is completely off base? Given that the religions of the world believe in largely incompatible beliefs, of what benefit would it be to you or Him if you believed in something that was largely fabricated and self-deceptive?

ARogueTrader · Dec 29, 2003

Why would a mother accept a drawing from her 3 year old that was not the right color, shape, etc?

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Boy, I never thought I'd agree with LongShot! Assuming there's a God here are a few questions:

Why would He honor faith in a wooden statue or in any other belief system that is completely off base? Given that the religions of the world believe in largely incompatible beliefs, of what benefit would it be to you or Him if you believed in something that was largely fabricated and self-deceptive?

ElCubano · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Boy, I never thought I'd agree with LongShot! Assuming there's a God here are a few questions:

Why would He honor faith in a wooden statue or in any other belief system that is completely off base? Given that the religions of the world believe in largely incompatible beliefs, of what benefit would it be to you or Him if you believed in something that was largely fabricated and self-deceptive?

Faith in a creator....be it a "wooden statue".......do you think that your love is the same as mine??? then prove urs to be the correct one or the 'TRUE' love......you guys are talking about GOD or a creator or the lack of one...And im saying the only way to believe in a creator is to have 'FAITH'...you either do or you dont have 'FAITH'...this is my point... I am not here to prove that there is or isnt a creator, because neither you nor I can prove there is or there isnt.......hence the term 'FAITH' something of which needs no proof....

but hey you guys can keep it up thread after thread trying to dis prove each other....my bad, please do continue...

Gordon Gekko · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from ElCubano:

Gekko has never made money trading; what do you think keeps him plugging away?????

FALSE

ElCubano · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

FALSE

is it FAITH??? or do we have a different perception of 'made money'????

ShoeshineBoy · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Why would a mother accept a drawing from her 3 year old that was not the right color, shape, etc?

This is a poor analogy because it assumes that there is no consequence to believing the wrong thing spiritually. You are equating faith in an incorrect belief system with the "drawing of a child". Religious beliefs have HUGE consequences. Just look at India and Bangledesh 40+ years ago.

A better example would be,"What if a child brought a glass of water to a parent polluted with water from a arsenic-laced well accidently?" Would the parent accept that as a gift?

Even this is not a good example because incorrect beliefs are not only self-deceptive but often personality-transforming. A belief in jihad, for example, can transform the personality of these men into a belief that is acceptable to kill innocent human beings (civilians). That's an extreme case, but every belief or virutally every belief changes mind and outlook...