jesus is god......lmao
- Thread starter Gordon Gekko
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Prove that your method of evaluation and proof of the existence of a Infinite Perfect Being is the valid method first.
You sit like a little boy who refuses to eat a new food until he knows he is going to like the taste of it. Stubborn and closed minded are the hallmarks of this type of intellect.
You apply imperfect methodology to the issue of perfection, and think that is a sign of intelligence?
What the atheists on this board continue to dodge is their own methodology, and the inherent weakness, i.e. the limited, and in Longshot's case severely diminished capacity due to an alcohol poisoned state of mind.
All you have to do is prove to us that you are not drunk right now, because by all reasonable observations you lack the sobriety required for any in depth discussions.
That your religion requires you to use the limited science we have developed to evaluate the origin of man's ability to even begin to understand the concept of God is so illogical as to be downright amusing.
An imperfect being demanding that proof of a perfect being fit the imperfect being's state of understanding. Truly laughable.
You sit like a little boy who refuses to eat a new food until he knows he is going to like the taste of it. Stubborn and closed minded are the hallmarks of this type of intellect.
You apply imperfect methodology to the issue of perfection, and think that is a sign of intelligence?
What the atheists on this board continue to dodge is their own methodology, and the inherent weakness, i.e. the limited, and in Longshot's case severely diminished capacity due to an alcohol poisoned state of mind.
All you have to do is prove to us that you are not drunk right now, because by all reasonable observations you lack the sobriety required for any in depth discussions.
That your religion requires you to use the limited science we have developed to evaluate the origin of man's ability to even begin to understand the concept of God is so illogical as to be downright amusing.
An imperfect being demanding that proof of a perfect being fit the imperfect being's state of understanding. Truly laughable.
Quote from LongShot:
i look forward to it..
but i hope like hell you have something of substance to show us this time.
A note to all Theists, Creationists, Vitalists etc:
I [We atheists] wouldn't expect a complete thesis but pick ONE small block from your Grand Worldview and then support THAT well. That's a beginning..and that's all we can ask.
ps. but please don't do your deepak chopra impersonation. this goes double for you Rogue.
Rogue,
You've made this argument before...
and in reply i say to you:
All we [man] has is REASON, SCIENCE.. these are our tools ..it is all we have to discover, to comprehend, and if they constrain us or limit us so be it.. there is nothing we can do .. we have no other choices.. we MUST use these!
All we "has" is reason?
Folly.
All we have really have is imagination.
Folly.
All we have really have is imagination.
lolQuote from LongShot:
no way dude..
GG is KEWL
watch!GG may be next Bill Gates!
GG is going to accomplish great things!
GG will someday make it on Forbes Billionaire List!
[and when he does he will throw a bill or two my way
[because he will remember who his friends are and are not on ET! ]
watch!
Your argument lacks proof that we must necessarily apply apply our limited reason to understanding the concept of God.
I have no problem with the application of science to what science can handle, i.e. limited senses, limited intellect and limits of relativistic logic to the material limited world, yet there is no evidence that supports your conclusion that this methodology is the correct method to apply to knowing God.
Prove that your method is the correct method. You can't.
You believe it to be so, hence it is just another religion which you practice, a set of beliefs, creed and dogma.
Yet you condemn others for their beliefs, their creed, their dogma.
Your sense of "superiority" is laughable, shallow, and representative of an immature mind.
The consistence I have seen from you, Gekko, Stu, axeman, et. al is this sense of superiority, that you have the "holy grail" to life......but baby, it just aint so. It is only your opinion, not a fact.
Deny all you like what humanity really is, but we are not machines, we are not computers, we are not pure intellect, we have consciousness, sentience, and a self reflective nature (try it sometime).
Yet you demand that the idea of a Creator of not only man, but all the order in the unlimited Universe must necessarily conform to your standards of what a proof of God would be.
You cannot even provide a concept of what a proof of God would be, as you cannot form a concept of a perfect unlimited eternal being. One could be right in front of you, but your limited mind and senses wouldn't even know it.
So practice your religion all you like, but your persecution of those who practice other religions, your sense of superiority that your religion is the "right" religion puts you in the exact same class as other fundamentalists you laugh at....the people you think you are superior to.
I have no problem with the application of science to what science can handle, i.e. limited senses, limited intellect and limits of relativistic logic to the material limited world, yet there is no evidence that supports your conclusion that this methodology is the correct method to apply to knowing God.
Prove that your method is the correct method. You can't.
You believe it to be so, hence it is just another religion which you practice, a set of beliefs, creed and dogma.
Yet you condemn others for their beliefs, their creed, their dogma.
Your sense of "superiority" is laughable, shallow, and representative of an immature mind.
The consistence I have seen from you, Gekko, Stu, axeman, et. al is this sense of superiority, that you have the "holy grail" to life......but baby, it just aint so. It is only your opinion, not a fact.
Deny all you like what humanity really is, but we are not machines, we are not computers, we are not pure intellect, we have consciousness, sentience, and a self reflective nature (try it sometime).
Yet you demand that the idea of a Creator of not only man, but all the order in the unlimited Universe must necessarily conform to your standards of what a proof of God would be.
You cannot even provide a concept of what a proof of God would be, as you cannot form a concept of a perfect unlimited eternal being. One could be right in front of you, but your limited mind and senses wouldn't even know it.
So practice your religion all you like, but your persecution of those who practice other religions, your sense of superiority that your religion is the "right" religion puts you in the exact same class as other fundamentalists you laugh at....the people you think you are superior to.
lately on fox news, they're showing all this, "christianity under attack" stuff. i love when they show mad christians and they say it's a "scary time." lmao oh yeah, it's frightening!! what WILL WE DO without fairy tales printed on our money, etc.
the real issue is, christians have had a monopoly and they don't want to lose it.
the real issue is, christians have had a monopoly and they don't want to lose it.
i was hoping we could agree at very least that we will use rational methods and engage in reasonable discussion. what you want to do is throw away all progress man has made to date in reliable methods of thinking and go back to Dark Ages mentality. this i will not agree to, it is absurd, and stupid. you'll have to preach your New-Age Baptist Schizo Bullshit to another audience cause i aint playing by those inane rules where anything that you can conceive of becomes reality. not me bub..no way! in THIS game here you must support or prove what you claim in accordance with the RULES OF REASON! :-/