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Jesus Christ (What Christians, Jews, and Muslims Say About Him)
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Gravity the word, represents as you quaintly phrase it - "the force that pulls you to the ground" , which is obviously present and very real and can easily be shown to exist. God does not do that, It does non of those things Gravity proves itself by because God is one of those human constructs which you said is not good enough proof for you.Quote from riskfreetrading:
I am not talking about the word "gravity" but talking about the force that pulls you to the ground. The same for the word "God". It is not the word that we believe, but what that word represent. Words are just labels. I am talking about what they represent.
So let go back to gravity again.
You did not prove the causality for gravity, and I do not believe anyone will be able to. Bring all nobel prize winners, and all scientists of all times, and they will be unable to explain it.
Yet gravity exists. So, who created it? I hope you do not believe that gravity came out of chance. If this were the case why not use chance to create gravity for another man-made object? Humans can theoretize things, and for the weak/unsophisticated minds, this may appear as if they figured things out. Who ever created (just gravity) is majestic in his work. I am not done. I have other challenge for you, such magnetism. Maxwell wrote beautiful equations, but what the causality for earth magnetic fields? Who created them? What are the causalities involved?
It is the hand behind things such as gravity and many other things in what we know (and what we do not know ) that makes me (and should make you and others) consider the belief in the existence of God. It is the intelligent thing to do. Believe in the non-existence of God is the dumb thing to do.
You want to know the causality of Gravity.
You donât want to know the causality of God.
Therefore by means of a complete disconnect you argue something must be the causality of Gravity, and must have created it.
But you donât argue something must be the causality of God, and must have created It.
Rather you blindly accept the idea there must be a God for no reason other than âa challengeâ to explain Gravity
You have incontrovertible evidence and an everyday world of fact and proof about Gravity and how it is caused. You have correspondingly nothing about God. Therefore you think thatâs worthy of a challenge for Gravity rather than God.
To put it politely , you cannot be serious. But this is the kind of nonsensical argument which some theists thrive on.
Much like "I am Christ" or whatever, a jumbled mish mash of undirected incoherence, as if it was an answer to anything at all.
And now you want to challenge magnetismâ¦sheesh.
Quote from TraderZones:
I was going to respond, but I realized that the ignore button will remove having to respond to future posts from you.
Why are I not moslem? The list is endless, starting with thinking that it is reasonable to give the death penalty to people who leave the faith, being at war with the other major religions of the world, living in the 8th century, and the entire religion pretty much being dependent on the ramblings of one man who thought he could improve upon Judeo-Christianity, which have a long history and are testified to by many.
You didnt get it. Moslem was just an example. Why do you have same religion as your parents, neighbours, country? Do all animals go to hell because they dont pray? Christianity killed 60 mil american indians and many million in europe. No religion is a religion of peace and they are used to confuse people through govt forces. Religions will forever result in ultrabrutal wars because humans are stupid. The fact they follow religions/gods is proof they are idiots. My religion is better than yours, my prophet is better than yours etc.
Fuck god, fuck religions.
Now put me on ignore. God you can ignore me too.
Or kill me.....................aaargghh
Quote from destroyer:
Don't you mean "My status"?
My status is Christ.
Jesus status is dead.
Jesus status was personhood.
His status is now Christ...always was, always will be.
Jesus is really Christ.
Christ is not really Jesus.
Jesus "died" to personhood, that he might live to his GoDhooD.
Jesus let go of maskhood that he might grasp MasterhooD.
Jesus renounced manyhood that he might know OnehooD.
The reason is very simple.
It is impossible to "serve two masters", so-to-speak.
It is impossible to serve both truth and and illusion [lies, fantasy, imagination, games].
A lie can discover that it is really the truth.
The truth cannot really discover it is a lie.
The truth cannot be also a lie.
Personhood is a lie.
Christhood is the truth.
Personhood is a pseudo-self.
Christ is Self.
To "know thySelf" is to know thySelf as Christ.
To deny thySelf is to believe thy self as different, unique, special, human, elf, fairy, stu...ect.
A person is a mask over the face of Christ.
Christ is not the mask anymore than little Johnny can really be count dracula on halloween.
A person is an actor acting.
A person always acts and never stops acting.
Christ is.
Christ always is, and never stops being.
Jesus played the part of the prodigal son as well as any actor could.
The genesis of the world is when the prodigal son leaves home.
The exodus of the world is when the prodigal son comes home [think: homecoming, second coming]
Home is total awareness [think: wholeness, holiness]
A foreign land is partial awareness [think: unconsciousness, dreaming, fragmentation, dispersion]
So, the exodus of the world is when the prodigal son comes to his senses.
The prodigal son is entirely a lie...utterly false.
The Son of God is entirely the truth, unutterably holy.
The prodigal son is an attack on the Son of God.
The prodigal son is an attack on the truth.
The prodigal son represents the Son of God.
The prodigal son mocks the truth...fronting...posing...acting as.
The prodigal son is an attack on Self.
The prodigal son represents self sabotage.
The prodigal son is self-crucifixion.
The prodigal son is "the universe".
The prodigal son is a self-concept [ie. "man", "beast", "creeping thing"]
"The universe" symbolizes the crucifixion [self sabotage] of the truth.
The death of the lie is the life of the truth.
The death of the truth is the life of the lie.
When a christian says, "I've been saved", s/he usually means that the lie of personhood has been saved by the gospel of personhood.
When a Christian says, "I've been saved", s/he means that Christ has been saved from a self-concept that called itself a person by the gospel of ChristhooD.
The prodigal son poses as the Son of God.
The prodigal son fronts as Christian.
The prodigal son is utterly empty...full only of death.
The prodigal son must "die" that the Christ within may be released to live.
The prodigal son is a prison for Christ.
The truth is: the prodigal son does not exist.
The truth sets Christ free to be himSelf.
The exodus of the world is the end of the prodigal son.
The genesis of the world is the sleeping of the Son of God.
The existence of the world is the dreaming of the Son of God.
The dreaming of the Son of God is the experience of the prodigal son.
The exodus of the world is the waking of the Son of God.
The waking of the Son of God is the "resurrection" of the Son of God.
The "resurrection" of the Son of God is the "second coming" of the Son of God.
Jesus acted out the part of the genesis of the prodigal son.
Jesus acted out the part of the exodus of the Son of God...from hell.
Hell is "the universe".
"The universe" is a symbol.
"Men" are symbols.
"Elves" are symbols.
"Unicorns" are symbols.
Man is magic.
Jesus is magic.
Jesus was a symbol of what is false: personhood.
Jesus is now a symbol of what is true: ChristhooD.
Jesus is not the truth.
Jesus pointed to the truth.
To stop at the feet of Jesus is to stop at the feet of an idol.
To go where Jesus went is to follow the path he pointed out.
The path Jesus followed leads to the truth.
The truth is there are no symbols in Reality.
So, there are no symbols in Christ.
So, there are no "male and female" in Christ.
So, there is no "Jew or GreeK" in Christ.
So, there are no persons in Christ.
There is only Christ.
Christ!
So, if you took a hammer and nailed someone down to a cross, is it gravity that forces the gravitist to gravitate toward stupidity? Or, does the hammer just pound the victim down to earth of its own velocity? Would a baseball bat work better than a hammer if the bat was bigger?
Christ!
You see, you are unable to give the causality for gravity: how is the pulling being done?Quote from stu:
Gravity the word, represents as you quaintly phrase it - "the force that pulls you to the ground" , which is obviously present and very real and can easily be shown to exist. God does not do that, It does non of those things Gravity proves itself by because God is one of those human constructs which you said is not good enough proof for you.
You want to know the causality of Gravity.
You donât want to know the causality of God.
Therefore by means of a complete disconnect you argue something must be the causality of Gravity, and must have created it.
But you donât argue something must be the causality of God, and must have created It.
Rather you blindly accept the idea there must be a God for no reason other than âa challengeâ to explain Gravity
You have incontrovertible evidence and an everyday world of fact and proof about Gravity and how it is caused. You have correspondingly nothing about God. Therefore you think thatâs worthy of a challenge for Gravity rather than God.
To put it politely , you cannot be serious. But this is the kind of nonsensical argument which some theists thrive on.
Much like "I am Christ" or whatever, a jumbled mish mash of undirected incoherence, as if it was an answer to anything at all.
And now you want to challenge magnetismâ¦sheesh.
I never wrote that God is doing the pulling, or whoever is the causality (if any) is a God.
I gave you the example of Gravity to show to you that human cannot understand certain things that are here with us, and yet they claim they know about creation, the non-existence of God, etc.
If people on this earth, and those who came before us have no clue how is the gravity mechanism being done, I think it is intelligent to assume that the world is more sophisticated and too well designed than we can ever comprehend.
If human cannot understand even a little force called gravity, why should I listen to amy of those theories expanding on how the world was created (darwism/intelligent design/etc). All that stuff is a weak philosophia that has no basis. And if God exists, and to me this world was not created by chance but by someone/something/some entity, then it would be a blasphemy to believe those theories rather than God.
Believing in God, while not certain of his existence, it is intelligent, beneficial, and safe thing to do. Believing in atheism/darwism/intelligent design/etc and the non-existence of God is a clearly a stupid thing to do.
So a religious man following the above arguments is a more intelligent and a stronger man.
Be honest with yourself: have you ever asked yourself how is the gravity pulling done? I am betting you never thought about this question as you may have thought that physists already know the answer and you may have those little equations in your mind fooling in thinking that gravity is already figured out.
All what physists know is to measure it, and understand some of its effects. But the force itself is beyond them.
I was not aware of the debate at that link. But it proves my point! Humans have no clue about how the pulling is being done!
I do not even know about the intelligent design theory (other than the title), but o me it is yet another instance in which humans are trying to pretend they understand something, which they do not understand.
It is better to say the truth: there is a force called gravity. We have no clue how the pulling is done, but we can model this force, and it is useful as it allows us to do various things including exploiting the force to make energy, and other useful things.
You need to read the Quran, and the five books of Moses. The Quran in particular is remarkable. It asks questions similar to the Gravity related question, and challenges you to give the answer. It even gives the nature of the answers, such as how the fetus is formed. The Quran and the books of Moses give answers that you can put against human knowledge of the world, and therefore you can draw conclusions about their validity, about the world, about God, etc. In the case of the Quran, the author is God himself. So, if you can prove that something is wrong in the Quran, you have proved God and a whole religion wrong. Try it.