Jesus Christ (What Christians, Jews, and Muslims Say About Him)

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God is santa claus for adults. Nothing else.
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The tOy gOd is "Grinch" for "Scrooges".
The JoY GoD is "Christmas" for Christ's lost.

Have it your way.

Christ!
 
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I cannot "know" because creation took place before Adam...but I have the witness of the order and design inherent in our reality..
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So the order and design witnesses to the "reality" of...?

How do you know its not a false witness? Are not the "guilty" framed by order and design?
If "the universe" was a picture painted perfectly by order and design, who's or what's picture does it paint?
Is "the universe" in "our image" or is it just a 'graven image'?
Indeed, creation took place before Adam. So, who or what is this "Adam" character?
It appears as though he was framed.

Christ!
 
What is the best answer when it comes to how the Bible came about?

The best answer is that the Bible is the word of God.

If it was the word of god there would not be the huge amount of conflicts within the text.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

If you acknowledge the conflicts and yet still think it is the word of god than you must also acknowledge that humans could have changed the bible. If you can acknowledge that humans changed the bible than you can also acknowledge that humans might have formulated the bible.

The bible and religion as a whole is primitive.

During the time of the formation of religion people were dancing for rain and praying to animals.

Religion is not an opiate for the masses, it's an opiate for a primitive intellect.
 
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So the order and design witnesses to the "reality" of...?

How do you know its not a false witness? Are not the "guilty" framed by order and design?
If "the universe" was a picture painted perfectly by order and design, who's or what's picture does it paint?
Is "the universe" in "our image" or is it just a 'graven image'?
Indeed, creation took place before Adam. So, who or what is this "Adam" character?
It appears as though he was framed.

Christ!
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Hello I Am,

I have read some of your remarks / posts, and I will say you have a very unique view of biblical subject matter !

Quite frankly, I am at a loss of how to respond to your question.

Please forgive me if I am way off base, but it is hard to ascertain where your positions originate as they do not seem to fit any biblical systematic scenarios that I am aware of. Are you saying that you have some special enlightenment ?

Creation is the bedrock of G-D's activity. If you are saying that the created reality we are present in is an illusion, then I have no basis to render an answer to your question.

Respectfully
 
Quote from vhehn:

maybe something like this:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/kooks.html
We all have read the tales told of Jesus in the Gospels, but few people really have a good idea of their context. Yet it is quite enlightening to examine them against the background of the time and place in which they were written, and my goal here is to help you do just that. There is abundant evidence that these were times replete with kooks and quacks of all varieties, from sincere lunatics to ingenious frauds, even innocent men mistaken for divine, and there was no end to the fools and loons who would follow and praise them. Placed in this context, the gospels no longer seem to be so remarkable, and this leads us to an important fact: when the Gospels were written, skeptics and informed or critical minds were a small minority. Although the gullible, the credulous, and those ready to believe or exaggerate stories of the supernatural are still abundant today, they were much more common in antiquity, and taken far more seriously.

If the people of that time were so gullible or credulous or superstitious, then we have to be very cautious when assessing the reliability of witnesses of Jesus. As Thomas Jefferson believed when he composed his own version of the gospels, Jesus may have been an entirely different person than the Gospels tell us, since the supernatural and other facts about him, even some of his parables or moral sayings, could easily have been added or exaggerated by unreliable witnesses or storytellers. Thus, this essay is not about whether Jesus was real or how much of what we are told about him is true. It is not even about Jesus. Rather, this essay is a warning and a standard, by which we can assess how likely or easily what we are told about Jesus may be false or exaggerated, and how little we can trust anyone who claims to be a witness of what he said and did. For if all of these other stories below could be told and believed, even by Christians themselves, it follows that the Gospels, being of entirely the same kind, can all too easily be inaccurate, tainted by the gullibility, credulity, or fondness for the spectacular which characterized most people of the time.

The Minor Evidence: Messiahs and Miracles Galore
Even in Acts, we get an idea of just how gullible people could be. Surviving a snake bite was evidently enough for the inhabitants of Malta to believe that Paul himself was a god (28:6). And Paul and his comrade Barnabas had to go to some lengths to convince the Lycaonians of Lystra that they were not deities.
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what seperates Jesus from Vhehn?



2000 years later no one will be telling tales of vheln
 
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There is no god and why would he send a human to tell us how to behave? Does he send a horse for horses and a fish for fishes?
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You would think that someone with the name "Fishbird" would know that the plural of fish, is fish.
 
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You would think that someone with the name "Fishbird" would know that the plural of fish, is fish.
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Both 'fish' and 'fishes' can be used in the plural form.

"usage - When you are talking about more than one fish, the plural fish is more commonly used than fishes. ▪ We caught several fish. When you are talking about more than one kind or species of fish, both fishes and fish are used. ▪ varieties of tropical fish ▪ all the fishes of the sea." - Merriam-Webster's Dictionary.
 
Quote from Fishbird:

Jesus was just some weirdo of that time.

As opposed to you, who is normal? How many people follow your life example was it again? Was it more or less than Jesus?

There is no god and why would he send a human to tell us how to behave?

Then I am sure you will supply definitive proof that God does not exist, and how God is supposed to follow your ideas rather than what he might think?

Does he send a horse for horses and a fish for fishes?

Apparently, you think he sent you, who has no clue where he came from, where he is going, why he is here, what his purpose is, or even
We can do what we want. Sin or be friendly, eat others or eat plants.

Then if someone shoots you in the leg, that is OK with you?

There are absolutely no rules other than what the current power tells you to do.

Funny, why don't you hold up a bank, and explain that to the judge?

Its survival of the fittest. You are dead, you get born, live, die and are dead again. Death is not bad, its nessessary to sort out the weak and let the strong carry on and reproduce. There is no sense in it though. Completely senseless and we reproduce only because of our instincts, morale and believes which are all products of evolution. Those who fell the urge for suicide when there is no reason to live or reproduce cant reproduce because they killed themselfes. We are a product who carry on living even though it is senseless.

Unfortunately, survival of the fittest didn't weed you out yet.


God is santa claus for adults. Nothing else.

You are a nightmare for logic

God started to exist when our brain evolved over a specific size.

When does your brain arrive?

Reading what you say makes someone realize that it was definitely a waste of time
 
To the OP riskfreetrading----I would appreciate it if you would not tell me as an Orthodox Christian that I think that Christ is one of the revelations of God. And then I see in an other thread that you say that Christ is one of the faces of God. I don't know about the Roman Catholics and Protestants, but, the Christian Church has a doctrine called the Trinity. The Trinity is the three "Persons" of God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit(I just made the sign of the cross)---Now I know you don't believe in the Trinity...I get that..If you really want to know what the Greek Fathers of The Church thought about our Savior, please read On The Incarnation by Saint Athanasius. Peace.
 
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To the OP riskfreetrading----I would appreciate it if you would not tell me as an Orthodox Christian that I think that Christ is one of the revelations of God. And then I see in an other thread that you say that Christ is one of the faces of God. I don't know about the Roman Catholics and Protestants, but, the Christian Church has a doctrine called the Trinity. The Trinity is the three "Persons" of God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit(I just made the sign of the cross)---Now I know you don't believe in the Trinity...I get that..If you really want to know what the Greek Fathers of The Church thought about our Savior, please read On The Incarnation by Saint Athanasius. Peace.
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When I wrote one of the faces of god, I was referring to Trinity. Using your formulation, I meant Jesus as "God the Son".

It is clear (to me at least) that the Trinity is a human invention that appeared after Jesus.

I have always had this question to anyone who believes in Trinity: "Where it is that Jesus claimed that he was a God, or Son of God"?

There are also chrisitians who start discussing things using Paul's writing to justify the claims.

However Paul never lived during Jesus's time. How could he claim to know what Jesus said or did not say? Some even consider him a prophet of God (may be they mean Prophet of Jesus and/or Jesus is God)?

Prophethood is a mission appointed to a person only by God (not be humans).

In relation to Jesus, I can tell you what I think if you want to know. In essence I think that Jesus is a human is related to God only by the mission that God assigned to him to spread the message. So he was a Prophet, but he was not divine.
 
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