partly because people keep disseminating false information without knowing many facts.
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JC Trading/ Ocean View Capital LLC
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Quote from propseeker:
partly because people keep disseminating false information without knowing many facts.
Doesn't matter. Every prop broker out there quotes Tuco as having destroyed the reputation of the industry, and like everything else in life, one bad apple ruined the bunch.
Sorry, not convinced.
yes, you're wrong. he didn't take any personal loans. the discrepancy came from 1) the majority from unpaid receivables. 2) a trader losing a lot of money past the amount he had in his account.Quote from WhiteOut56:
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the guy took some massive loan (in the millions) from the company aka other traders money and couldn't pay it back.
That's what triggered the SEC's action. They busted them because of that, not because of the sub llc, they just busted w/ the sub llc mearly because the SEC through the book at them
the sec busted them because they were operating as a b/d without being a b/d. as a b/d, if you have customer accounts, they cannot be mingled with backoffice accounting or other traders accounts. this was the primary basis behind the injunction.
problem is, they weren't pretending to be a b/d, and everyone knew their accounts were mingled. everyone knew they were sharing risk. that's the whole point of the hedge fund model. it was in the llc agreement when you signed up as a class B member, and you agreed to it when signed up.
so, what happened then? when the sec shut them down, he consented to the allegations, ie he settled. why? i believe because it was a mixture of bad council (he later replaced them), and feeling that would be the most expedient means of getting everyone back their money. after replacing council, he tried to introduce the points above, but it was too late, the judge wouldn't allow the arguments.
anyway, dragging the guys name through the mud without all the facts isn't the right thing to do.
LOL. Dude, you just buried the guy with all that. Might want to edit/delete before the timer expires.
Quote from propseeker:
yes, you're wrong. he didn't take any personal loans. the discrepancy came from 1) the majority from unpaid receivables. 2) a trader losing a lot of money past the amount he had in his account.
the sec busted them because they were operating as a b/d without being a b/d. as a b/d, if you have customer accounts, they cannot be mingled with backoffice accounting or other traders accounts. this was the primary basis behind the injunction.
problem is, they weren't pretending to be a b/d, and everyone knew their accounts were mingled. everyone knew they were sharing risk. that's the whole point of the hedge fund model. it was in the llc agreement when you signed up as a class B member, and you agreed to it when signed up.
so, what happened then? when the sec shut them down, he consented to the allegations, ie he settled. why? i believe because it was a mixture of bad council (he later replaced them), and feeling that would be the most expedient means of getting everyone back their money. after replacing council, he tried to introduce the points above, but it was too late, the judge wouldn't allow the arguments.
anyway, dragging the guys name through the mud without all the facts isn't the right thing to do.
no one is trying to convince you of anything. you made false allegations. i challenged and corrected them.Quote from CQNC:
Doesn't matter. Every prop broker out there quotes Tuco as having destroyed the reputation of the industry, and like everything else in life, one bad apple ruined the bunch.
Sorry, not convinced.
fact check what you say or tone down the negative hyperbole if you want people to take you seriously.
Quote from propseeker:
no one is trying to convince you of anything. you made false allegations. i challenged and corrected them.
fact check what you say or tone down the negative hyperbole if you want people to take you seriously.
I could care less about being taken seriously by anyone who doesn't think this was a scam of the decade. We're done now.
how's that?Quote from CQNC:
LOL. Dude, you just buried the guy with all that. Might want to edit/delete before the timer expires.
the trials are over. all the facts i posted are in the public domain i gathered from court documents. all my opinions were from my experiences with them, since one of my accounts was there.
i've traded in this industry for a long time, i may be presumptuous, but i'm going to wager you haven't. if you had, you would have appreciated the color i gave.
some advice, i'd recommend not running around with the severe chip and the bent for disrespect you've got going. it's not that big of an industry.
after your last few posts in this thread and definitely after your last one in the don thread, i don't think you need to worry too much about being taken seriously.Quote from CQNC:
I could care less about being taken seriously by anyone who doesn't think this was a scam of the decade. We're done now.
but seriously, until you can actually present facts that show this was 'the scam of the decade', you're just uninformed.
doug fredricks committed no fraud but who gives a shit as traders lost money and thats the bottom line. jc capital was under tuco to use lightspeed i believe but i don't know if any of there traders lost any money.jc is on this board and can answer these questions.but i think jc is under ocean view who is really an offshoot of tuco who has mike kessler affiliated with it. again if you want leverage you have risk and that means you can lose money if the company goes under