as jeff said, since there was a specific thread on there group, and he felt that the traders true comments would be more appreciated than his as it would no doubt be taken as spamming,, well fair enough,, but as he said he mentioned to us, that if we wanted to , to leave our true comments and feelings on our experience with them on this thread, and well guess what ,, he could do that because he was confident enough to know that he has done no one wrong, and that he and chris runs a respectable business. so i and a few others gave our advice on the concerns of the starter of this thread,, and i understand the first post of some guys, but to be honest, i dont know, but it could have easily been one of the traders working under them that wasn't an et member and felt that adding in good faith as a kind return to the good service was the least they could do,, so anyways,, im done here for now, but remember,, just as much as you may want to be skeptical on all the good comments on these guys, god forbid theres some respectable business men around here,, which they are,, there is no one stopping any one with bad experiences with these guys to post,, so id like to make an offer ,, anyone who has questions and is that nervous,, which dont get me wrong your allowed to question anything, ill make myself available for phone and personal appointments,, as im sure jeff would also,, message me and my contact information will be readily available. and again if anyone wants to think of me as a profiting spammer , at least read through my previous posts over the past 20 months and see that im just another trader like you........................................................................