jasinhbca's quest for discipline, knowledge & profits

[dartmus]

i have done much work over many yr.

YOU suggested i listen to 'redneck'.

now, withthat assertion, YOU bear the evidence for his notion?

artemstreb,

Though this is often the case in logical debate that this rule is the accepted standard of proof, it actually applies to an entirely different context. For instance in math or the other sciences, the person who suggests a new approach has to support their case.

That doesn't apply here because you've been offered a suggestion on a path you can follow. If it's not working for you then maybe some polite diplomatic approach will convince someone to give you another clue, but the suggestion that the rules of mathematical proof require the person bearing the first gift to back up their first gift with more gifts simply because it's not yet proven to your satisfaction .. is simply a case of you misunderstanding that this area of life (competitive trading for a living) is based on standards that are entirely different than the rules and logic by which normal knowledge is accepted as proven to be valid. In fact trading is by it's nature opposed to that logic in that it's rare for what is known to work to ever be mentioned and when it is it's even more rare that the person offering the suggestion would offer the proof of it's validity.

 

[KDASFTG]

Greetings to Mr A,

You want proof; well I’ll give you loads of it. What we can point you to from Redneck is page, after page, after page of something called “Process”. Yes process,…something which all professional traders are intimately familiar with using, hour after hour, and day after day. But to others its just pretty dull and often pretty boring “metaphysical crap”. Any professional in this business or any other for that matter can tell you about the absolute importance of things like Routine, Rituals, Replicability, and Consistency in their “metaphysical arsenal”. All pretty mundane stuff,...wouldn't you say?

And further, none of these things are new, innovative, or prescient. In fact they are all quite repetitive and almost equally boring if you get right down to the facts. Yet, bereft of these highly abstract, subtle, and abstruse "skills and attributes", the trading professional would be lost and adrift in a sea of endless possibilities.

Years of blood sweat and tears have taught Redneck these lessons. I can easily see it and its affects in just about everything that comes out of his posts. Truly, wisdom born of tears and pain. What Redneck is imparting and inculcating into to these traders, are some of the most important "tools and skills" they will ever need in their trading careers. Unfortunately, to the uninitiated and unobservant, it looks and sounds like silly useless repetitious “metaphysical crap”. But to an old 25 plus year trading vet,…it reads just like pure gold, and sometimes brings a tear to my own eyes.

To Redneck I say…....keep the crap coming! Keep spreading the crap in their minds and into their “mental fields”, because soon the crops will be coming in for JAS, S, JS and all the other lucky lurkers out there. And a large part of their bountiful yield will be due to Redneck…with his shitty country boy hands, from digging in and shoveling in the crap for their sake.

Redneck, you dumbass country boy…tonight I’m going to have a glass of “Shit Kickin Moonshine” in your honor.

For what you are doing for these people…I salute you Sir!

KDASFTG
Another Dumbass

 

[Onra]

Call me crazy - but what the hell is this..., if not an accusation




RN

Hey!
Aren't you supposed to be on holiday?!

Ignore this person; just keep helping the rest with great advice!
Thanks!!

 

[dartmus]

btw artemstreb, my first suggestion is to become a friend of the Redneck.

 

[Redneck]

I owe you nothing read all the journals he's involved in if you want his help

Art

Not all of them - but certainly enough to get you started - and of course J's journal you're currently in



http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/my-nq-price-action-method.277868/

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/feedback-appreciated-my-journal-begins.285635/

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/yukoners-psychological-trading-journal.287520/

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/will-i-ever-get-it.288440/

RN

 

[Redneck]

Hey!
Aren't you supposed to be on holiday?!

Ignore this person; just keep helping the rest with great advice!
Thanks!!

Yes Sir - but do we really ever leave trading at the door step :eek:


Too cold outside..., so I'm here drinking moonshine..., and havin some fun

RN

 

[artemstreb]

artemstreb,

Though this is often the case in logical debate that this rule is the accepted standard of proof, it actually applies to an entirely different context. For instance in math or the other sciences, the person who suggests a new approach has to support their case.

That doesn't apply here because you've been offered a suggestion on a path you can follow. If it's not working for you then maybe some polite diplomatic approach will convince someone to give you another clue, but the suggestion that the rules of mathematical proof require the person bearing the first gift to back up their first gift with more gifts simply because it's not yet proven to your satisfaction .. is simply a case of you misunderstanding that this area of life (competitive trading for a living) is based on standards that are entirely different than the rules and logic by which normal knowledge is accepted as proven to be valid. In fact trading is by it's nature opposed to that logic in that it's rare for what is known to work to ever be mentioned and when it is it's even more rare that the person offering the suggestion would offer the proof of it's validity.

i am truly sorry i entered a thread of worship. meant no harm but pursuit of truth in intradray,which is i live my context.

profit, i seek

 

[Redneck]

Greetings to Mr A,

You want proof; well I’ll give you loads of it. What we can point you to from Redneck is page, after page, after page of something called “Process”. Yes process,…something which all professional traders are intimately familiar with using, hour after hour, and day after day. But to others its just pretty dull and often pretty boring “metaphysical crap”. Any professional in this business or any other for that matter can tell you about the absolute importance of things like Routine, Rituals, Replicability, and Consistency in their “metaphysical arsenal”. All pretty mundane stuff,...wouldn't you say?

And further, none of these things are new, innovative, or prescient. In fact they are all quite repetitive and almost equally boring if you get right down to the facts. Yet, bereft of these highly abstract, subtle, and abstruse "skills and attributes", the trading professional would be lost and adrift in a sea of endless possibilities.

Years of blood sweat and tears have taught Redneck these lessons. I can easily see it and its affects in just about everything that comes out of his posts. Truly, wisdom born of tears and pain. What Redneck is imparting and inculcating into to these traders, are some of the most important "tools and skills" they will ever need in their trading careers. Unfortunately, to the uninitiated and unobservant, it looks and sounds like silly useless repetitious “metaphysical crap”. But to an old 25 plus year trading vet,…it reads just like pure gold, and sometimes brings a tear to my own eyes.

To Redneck I say…....keep the crap coming! Keep spreading the crap in their minds and into their “mental fields”, because soon the crops will be coming in for JAS, S, JS and all the other lucky lurkers out there. And a large part of their bountiful yield will be due to Redneck…with his shitty country boy hands, from digging in and shoveling in the crap for their sake.

Redneck, you dumbass country boy…tonight I’m going to have a glass of “Shit Kickin Moonshine” in your honor.

For what you are doing for these people…I salute you Sir!

KDASFTG
Another Dumbass

Wow..., I am simply speechless..., and my heart is welling up

I am thoroughly humbled Sir

Thank You from my heart
RN

 

[Redneck]

i am truly sorry i entered a thread of worship. meant no harm but pursuit of truth in intradray,which is i live my context.

profit, i seek

There is no worship - I am a dumbass redneck..., no better or worse than anyone else

We're simply traders - hangin out... talking shop

RN

 

[Redneck]

yes, exchange idea, IDEA no hurt anyone

How about starting over Art

Read the journals I attached the links to (and as Slugar suggested)

Ask questions when / as appropriate


There is a lot of valuable insight / knowledge in those journals - from many good traders


You have at least one good quality (from what I can tell) - you are independent - never lose that

RN