Japan Spirals into Bankruptcy?

Quote from member:

Deflation will benefit western economies. There would be a catalyst to create jobs by repatriating manufacturing industries stolen by Asia and oil exporting countries would suffer also due to declining commodities prices.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3446524#post3446524 good summation here by tomdavis
 
quiet night in forex

I read every single post on this thread

it started back in 2010 when people were still intelligent

interesting to see how things are playing out

a good discussion on fiat currency

and then some activity surrounding the tsunami

best posts mentioned immigratation

it would seem we have virtually an unlimited supply of people that want to immigrate
 
Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

There is no proof that Keynes was ever right. Politicians love his ideas, of course. It allows a lot of money to flow through their grubby hands to their grubby friends... so in their eyes Keynes is King but basically... no real proof for it at all....

Actually there is an abundance of proof, but not about everything. When he was at Bretton Woods, virtually all of his objections, on which he did not prevail, have been later been shown to be well-founded. He was right about almost everything so far.

(I'm looking for a specific reference for you.)
 
Quote from oldtime:

quiet night in forex

I read every single post on this thread

it started back in 2010 when people were still intelligent

interesting to see how things are playing out

a good discussion on fiat currency

and then some activity surrounding the tsunami

best posts mentioned immigratation

it would seem we have virtually an unlimited supply of people that want to immigrate
random is the one who turned me on to this type of thinking. Most of us can grasp that free flow of goods between nations is probably at least neutral if not positive, yet, we have no free flow of individuals who make things work.
 
Yeah ... no one wants the spigot closed.


Quote from piezoe:

Well to be fair to Keynes it seems most countries can't muster the fiscal discipline later on to really apply Keynes in the way he intended. It's easy to open the spigot, hard to close it.

Keynes advocated either raising taxes or cutting government expenditures during boom times as well as deficit spending during recessions. We are great at the second part of his cure, but once we start feeling better we are awful at completing the full course of the treatment. It's like the patient with a bacterial infection that is supposed to take antibiotics for two weeks but stops after three days because they feel much better.

The other thing to keep in mind with regard to Keynes is that his ideas were developed during the time that currencies were backed by hard assets. I would think a world of fiat currencies might have altered his thinking.
 
Fractals, here is at least a starting point. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/18/lord-keynes-international-monetary-fund

Also, please do a search on Bradford DeLong, the U.C. Berkeley Prof who's specialty is economic history. He is rather an expert on Keynes. That will lead you to many interesting articles and both sides of the ongoing debate of whether Keynes was right.

here is something from Delong in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes regarding Keynes at the Bretton Woods Conference. "According to US economist Brad Delong, on almost every point where he was overruled by the Americans, Keynes was later proved correct by events.[38]" (The Wkipedia article, by the way, on Keynes is an excellent and detailed summary account of Keynes' life and economic viewpoint.)

Another interesting point is Keynes strong objections to the the way Germany was left with an unpayable reparation bill after World War I. The war that caused World War II. Keynes correctly predicted exactly what would happen.
 
Correction. I don't know why I said "second part of his cure" in Swan Noir's quote of above. I meant, obviously, we are great at the first part of the cure, but bad at the second.
 
Quote from ammo:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3446524#post3446524 good summation here by tomdavis

I agree. That's an excellent summary of the U.S. situation after World War II and what changes the U.S. can expect going forward. I did not agree at all with Member's contention, however, that deflation, on balance, will benefit the Western economies. It certainly won't benefit a large debtor nation such as the U.S. If the U.S. were to experience significant deflation in the overall economy right now we'd be in a real pickle. The Fed is not going to allow it, and for a very good reason.
 
Quote from Swan Noir:

Yeah ... no one wants the spigot closed.

Shit no. Most of these losers want it turned up higher, no matter how high it already is.
 
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