January Dem Debate is next Tuesday

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The good news for the dems who want it, is that Joe Biden is clearly following the Mitt Romney, steady eddy, track. The bad news though is that Biden is clearly following the Mitt Romney, steady eddy track, and will/would be clobbered in the general election for being generic, boring, white bread steady eddy. Not pretty if you are a dem.

Although, as discussed, that steady-as-she-goes routine gonna hit rough waters if we go to a brokered convention and there are plenty of signs of that happening too.

Anyway. Next debate is next Tuesday and this is the first real debate where the candidates are going to get real and point out that the other one is flat out not going to be elected in the general election even if they win. Bernie saying it to Biden, Warren to Bernie and Biden and Booty. And so on. Good, those are words that need to fly. If the dems want to go down the Biden road they are fucked. The dems know it too. This is the last debate before real primary voting begins. Do they wanna be happy for a few months in the summer about having found and rallied around a candidate- ie. The Joe Biden- only to take it up the bo-bo again in November? Think about it tard idiots. Think about it long and hard.

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Should we think about it as long as you did when you predicted Elizabeth Warren would be the nominee?

Or, should we think about as hard as you did when you told us there was a cabal in the fbi investigating Donald Trump for political reasons?

Should we put a countdown to Durham thread up?
 
Nice polling. NOT.

Can you spell Crap Shoot boys and girls?


A Monmouth University survey released Monday found Biden ahead, with the backing of 24% of likely caucusgoers. Sanders came in at 18%, followed at 17% by Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Ind., and at 15% by Warren.

Days earlier, the well-respected Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa poll found Sanders leading at 20%, ahead of Warren (17%), Buttigieg (16%) and Biden (15%).
 
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I have a question.

1. Trump has governed just as jeb would have other than to stand up to Iran.
so if he were a establishment guy... I think he would coast to victory against that field.

2. But there are never trumpers. There are people turned off by his tweating. There are those true conservatives who are less than happy about his not following through on the Bannon agenda he ran on.

so...

given he has more money but less support in the party...
Is he really a lock to win in those swing states.

biden is corrupt and the rest of the dem are self professed to be pre-commies but why can't they win against Trump's smaller base. There are a lot of newer democrats who don't mind gulags and loss of freedom as long as they get some free stuff.
 
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given he has more money but less support in the party...
Is he really a lock to win in those swing states.

biden is corrupt and the rest of the dem are self professed to be pre-commies but why can't they win against Trump's smaller base. There are a lot of newer democrats who don't mind gulags and loss of freedom as long as they get some free stuff.
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He has more money but if Bloomberg does what he says he is going to do that might not be true. Bloomy says that he is going to unload a full billion to the task of beating Trump. He says that if he is not the nominee then he will still spend that in the election to try to keep Trump from being elected. Not sure how all these various outright plans to buy elections are going to work out. Could backfire.

Anway, in regard to Trump being "a lock to win." No, I don't believe that and have said repeatedly that I believe that Trump is vulnerable and can be beaten, "if the dems can come up with any kind of reasonable candidate." Mostly, to your point, because there just are so many frigging democrats. Problem is, I have not seen them come up with a reasonable candidate yet. They have big, big problems ahead if they coalesce behind Biden, and even bigger problems if they do not and if they try to cobble something together with the progressive clowns.

Someone sticks a poll up my arse here twice a day showing how Biden is the leader but I am not convinced and do not think he will be the nominee. That pissy little 20-24% is not much of a lead, especially when half of those polled say they are still looking and open to someone else. Joe only has the lead because the votes are spread out over so many candidates but if all the progressive candidates (bernie, warren, booty) (and please, booty's supporters are not moderates) were consolidated behind one candidate that would be the death of Joe. Not saying that is going to happen, just saying Joe has not made the big sale because the bigger support is still in Camp Progressive not Camp Biden circa. 1952. He is just benefiting from their division. And - except for some percentage of Booty's voters, I dont see the progressives going over to Joe in droves. Some but not in droves. And lot of them will not show up to vote at all. People argue that they will surely show up to at least keep Trump out. Nope, not in droves which will be needed. Just as most bernie supporters went over to hillary but lots just fell out and remain pissed off to this day.

So yeh, Trump has a smaller and more loyal base which could and theoretically should be outgunned by all the dems who are everywhere. Except they are seriously, seriously divided right now and as far as the eye can see and will only get worse. So, again, I dont see Trump having a lock on anything but he has at least as good a gig going or better than the dems and he has the energy to go with it. Joe I am looking at you and your energy level.

If and when Biden gets the nomination, the tards here will stick a pineapple up my arse. But that will be the most fun they are going to have in the election cycle. Then the next day they wake up and have to deal with the fact that Biden is the nominee. ie. Trump just won.

I am expecting the unexpected at this point. Still not on board with the Biden thing. The unexpected will come in the form of whatever is the product of a brokered convention. If Joe cannot get the nomination on the first vote then there are some scary possibilities that arise. Keep in mind what I said: Most of the support is with the progressives and if they cobble something together then Biden IS NOT their man.

The other thing- just to look at this from the 100,000 foot level for a minute- the overarching atmospherics favor a close election anyway. Seems like all elections are close these days: presidential elections, Brexit, crappy elections in Georgia and Texas and so on and so forth. So I expect a close election just in general without even analyzing who is doing something right or wrong. The country is divided and it shows in elections now.
 
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He has more money but if Bloomberg does what he says he is going to do that might not be true. Bloomy says that he is going to unload a full billion to the task of beating Trump. He says that if he is not the nominee then he will still spend that in the election to try to keep Trump from being elected. Not sure how all these various outright plans to buy elections are going to work out. Could backfire.

Anway, in regard to Trump being "a lock to win." No, I don't believe that and have said repeatedly that I believe that Trump is vulnerable and can be beaten, "if the dems can come up with any kind of reasonable candidate." Mostly, to your point, because there just are so many frigging democrats. Problem is, I have not seen them come up with a reasonable candidate yet. They have big, big problems ahead if they coalesce behind Biden, and even bigger problems if they do not and if they try to cobble something together with the progressive clowns.

Someone sticks a poll up my arse here twice a day showing how Biden is the leader but I am not convinced and do not think he will be the nominee. That pissy little 20-24% is not much of a lead, especially when half of those polled say they are still looking and open to someone else. Joe only has the lead because the votes are spread out over so many candidates but if all the progressive candidates (bernie, warren, booty) (and please, booty's supporters are not moderates) were consolidated behind one candidate that would be the death of Joe. Not saying that is going to happen, just saying Joe has not made the big sale because the bigger support is still in Camp Progressive not Camp Biden circa. 1952. He is just benefiting from their division. And - except for some percentage of Booty's voters, I dont see the progressives going over to Joe in droves. Some but not in droves. And lot of them will not show up to vote at all. People argue that they will surely show up to at least keep Trump out. Nope, not in droves which will be needed. Just as most bernie supporters went over to hillary but lots just fell out and remain pissed off to this day.

So yeh, Trump has a smaller and more loyal base which could and theoretically should be outgunned by all the dems who are everywhere. Except they are seriously, seriously divided right now and as far as the eye can see and will only get worse. So, again, I dont see Trump having a lock on anything but he has at least as good a gig going or better than the dems and he has the energy to go with it. Joe I am looking at you and your energy level.

If and when Biden gets the nomination, the tards here will stick a pineapple up my arse. But that will be the most fun they are going to have in the election cycle. Then the next day they wake up and have to deal with the fact that Biden is the nominee. ie. Trump just won.

I am expecting the unexpected at this point. Still not on board with the Biden thing. The unexpected will come in the form of whatever is the product of a brokered convention. If Joe cannot get the nomination on the first vote then there are some scary possibilities that arise. Keep in mind what I said: Most of the support is with the progressives and if they cobble something together then Biden IS NOT their man.

The other thing- just to look at this from the 100,000 foot level for a minute- the overarching atmospherics favor a close election anyway. Seems like all elections are close these days: presidential elections, Brexit, crappy elections in Georgia and Texas and so on and so forth. So I expect a close election just in general without even analyzing who is doing something right or wrong. The country is divided and it shows in elections now.
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A Billion huh? That'll buy a lot of negative ads, and somehow I think Madison Ave and Hollywood will throw in the volume discount too. And its not like Trump hasn't provided 10,000 sound-bites, Tweets, etc to make it the easiest job ever for producers that will probably work pro-bono. .
 
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A Billion huh? That'll buy a lot of negative ads, and somehow I think Madison Ave and Hollywood will throw in the volume discount too. And its not like Trump hasn't provided 10,000 sound-bites, Tweets, etc to make it the easiest job ever for producers that will probably work pro-bono. .
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Ahhh..but.......Trump has a premier subscription to Twitter and knows how to use it.

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A Billion huh? That'll buy a lot of negative ads, and somehow I think Madison Ave and Hollywood will throw in the volume discount too. And its not like Trump hasn't provided 10,000 sound-bites, Tweets, etc to make it the easiest job ever for producers that will probably work pro-bono. .
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The Dem candidate will raise around 1.5 billion without Bloomys money while I doubt Trump raises a billion
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
He has more money but if Bloomberg does what he says he is going to do that might not be true. Bloomy says that he is going to unload a full billion to the task of beating Trump. He says that if he is not the nominee then he will still spend that in the election to try to keep Trump from being elected. Not sure how all these various outright plans to buy elections are going to work out. Could backfire.

Anway, in regard to Trump being "a lock to win." No, I don't believe that and have said repeatedly that I believe that Trump is vulnerable and can be beaten, "if the dems can come up with any kind of reasonable candidate." Mostly, to your point, because there just are so many frigging democrats. Problem is, I have not seen them come up with a reasonable candidate yet. They have big, big problems ahead if they coalesce behind Biden, and even bigger problems if they do not and if they try to cobble something together with the progressive clowns.

Someone sticks a poll up my arse here twice a day showing how Biden is the leader but I am not convinced and do not think he will be the nominee. That pissy little 20-24% is not much of a lead, especially when half of those polled say they are still looking and open to someone else. Joe only has the lead because the votes are spread out over so many candidates but if all the progressive candidates (bernie, warren, booty) (and please, booty's supporters are not moderates) were consolidated behind one candidate that would be the death of Joe. Not saying that is going to happen, just saying Joe has not made the big sale because the bigger support is still in Camp Progressive not Camp Biden circa. 1952. He is just benefiting from their division. And - except for some percentage of Booty's voters, I dont see the progressives going over to Joe in droves. Some but not in droves. And lot of them will not show up to vote at all. People argue that they will surely show up to at least keep Trump out. Nope, not in droves which will be needed. Just as most bernie supporters went over to hillary but lots just fell out and remain pissed off to this day.

So yeh, Trump has a smaller and more loyal base which could and theoretically should be outgunned by all the dems who are everywhere. Except they are seriously, seriously divided right now and as far as the eye can see and will only get worse. So, again, I dont see Trump having a lock on anything but he has at least as good a gig going or better than the dems and he has the energy to go with it. Joe I am looking at you and your energy level.

If and when Biden gets the nomination, the tards here will stick a pineapple up my arse. But that will be the most fun they are going to have in the election cycle. Then the next day they wake up and have to deal with the fact that Biden is the nominee. ie. Trump just won.

I am expecting the unexpected at this point. Still not on board with the Biden thing. The unexpected will come in the form of whatever is the product of a brokered convention. If Joe cannot get the nomination on the first vote then there are some scary possibilities that arise. Keep in mind what I said: Most of the support is with the progressives and if they cobble something together then Biden IS NOT their man.

The other thing- just to look at this from the 100,000 foot level for a minute- the overarching atmospherics favor a close election anyway. Seems like all elections are close these days: presidential elections, Brexit, crappy elections in Georgia and Texas and so on and so forth. So I expect a close election just in general without even analyzing who is doing something right or wrong. The country is divided and it shows in elections now.
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Can't wait to add this to all the other bull shit you have been wrong about.
 
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