Jan-Jul 2010 was the warmest average land surface temperature ever recorded

Is this climate change or just weather pattern?

  • climate change is real

    Votes: 11 39.3%

  • just weather, you'll see

    Votes: 10 35.7%

  • don't know

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • don't care

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Total voters
    28
Quote from trefoil:

Eh, it's already too late. This is fun to debate with the Neanderthals, but the truth is, unless someone thinks of something very clever real soon, it's going to get insane soon. If you look at the year over year growth rate of CO2 in the atmosphere, not only is it not slowing down, the rate of growth is actually increasing.
Gas is still routinely flared off in oil fields in many countries around the world, for instance, adding massive amounts of CO2 for quite literally no return at all for anyone. Coal seam fires burn in coal mines all over the world, adding still more CO2 while providing zero benefit to civilization.
It's very discouraging.
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The average human exhales 500kg of CO2 per year. That means if the world population grows by 2% next year, you can guarantee that their will be an extra 73 million tons(or 67 billion kg) of CO2 released into the air. Hows that for fear mongering for you. Sounds scary right?

But FYI, the amount of CO2 that comes out the tailpipe of a car per 1 gallon of gas is 8.2kg and the average american car pumps out 7700kg of CO2 per year. Basically the average american car pumps out as much CO2 in a year as 15 humans standing around breathing normally. Frightening isnt it.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

The average human exhales 500kg of CO2 per year. That means if the world population grows by 2% next year, you can guarantee that their will be an extra 73 million tons(or 67 billion kg) of CO2 released into the air. Hows that for fear mongering for you. Sounds scary right?

But FYI, the amount of CO2 that comes out the tailpipe of a car per 1 gallon of gas is 8.2kg and the average american car pumps out 7700kg of CO2 per year. Basically the average american car pumps out as much CO2 in a year as 15 humans standing around breathing normally. Frightening isnt it.
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Biological carbon emissions are neutral to the atmosphere.

Burning carbon that was buried millions of years ago is not neutral. It's the same effect as volcanic eruptions, which have proven impacts on the earth's climate.
 
Quote from dcraig:

And the change in the jet stream is most likely due to ....... Increased sea surface temperatures.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1576

What climatologists are now opening saying is that these extreme weather events most likely would not have happened (or at least the extremes that they have) without AGW.

The world has warmed about 0.75C but we are very likely committed to maybe double that by the time the oceans heat up and equilibrium is established. And that is without any further CO2 emissions.

In about ten years we will be committed to 2C even if emissions do not further increase. By 2050 about 3C and the wheels will start to fall off in a really big way.
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You and I will probably never see eye to eye on this subject. It sounds plausible that there is some AGW. I just don't agree that is the reason for MOST of the warming or that all of the effects of GW will necessarily be negative. The one thing I see consistently from your side of the debate is any consideration of mitigating factors and a pell mell atitude that we MUST do something. Your own post basically says we're screwed. Do you really believe we can significantly reduce man made CO2 enough to counter AGW in the next 30-40 years with China, India, Brazil and all of Africa about to enter their growth stage?
 
Quote from tmarket:

...for January-July 2010 was the second warmest on record, behind 1998."...
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the Russian financial crisis followed shortly...

coincidence? we shall see soon...
 
Quote from Arnie:

You and I will probably never see eye to eye on this subject. It sounds plausible that there is some AGW. I just don't agree that is the reason for MOST of the warming or that all of the effects of GW will necessarily be negative. The one thing I see consistently from your side of the debate is any consideration of mitigating factors and a pell mell atitude that we MUST do something. Your own post basically says we're screwed. Do you really believe we can significantly reduce man made CO2 enough to counter AGW in the next 30-40 years with China, India, Brazil and all of Africa about to enter their growth stage?
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Well stated. The left is using this as a convenient excuse to push through all sorts of stuff from giving the government control over energy use to wealth transfer to the Third World.

If it does get hotter, we can deal with it. They act like it would be an unmitigated disaster, but it could have many benefits.
 
Southern California had some areas that were so cool this summer that crops didn't come in!! These global warming people cannot be circumsized because there is no end to the pricks...
 
And in Texas they had Corn and Beans that burned in the stalk and sorghum dieing on the vine.

It's just weather dude. Follow the trend and get over it.

Quote from Eight:

Southern California had some areas that were so cool this summer that crops didn't come in!! These global warming people cannot be circumsized because there is no end to the pricks...
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And when someone can tell me:

1. how do we know this is not part of a 10000 year weather cycle
being that the ice cores show an increase in temperature before and increase in C02

then

2. how do we know its man made

3. how do we effectively and efficiently control it.

None of these things seem to ever be answered...

I surfed... I got sick from the pollution - sometimes... I am would like a cleaner environment for my kids... I think we are not charging enough for our natural resources...

I just think that most of the global warming people are not smart enough to think in systems and the ones that think in systems are attempting to profit financially or politically.
 
Biological carbon emissions have no impact only because they're part of a closed system and come through food chains from plants which got the carbon from the atmosphere in the first place.

Quote from stefan_777:

Biological carbon emissions are neutral to the atmosphere.

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