I've never traded before

Quote from Buzzed:

After 12 years of owing the man, I am proud to say I will finally be out of debt in March. To accomplish this, I set myself a strict budget and severely cut my costs. No cell phone, I use a MagicJack to avoid phone bills. I walk to work to avoid car insurance, repairs, and gas. Paper bag lunches and buying in bulk to survive. This allowed me to make $560.00 per month payments toward my debt.

I never consolidated my debt, negotiated to reduce my debt, defaulted (except for a few late payments years ago), or declared bankruptcy. Every penny of my debt I paid back with hard honest work. I am a strong believer in being responsible for my own actions. And now getting out of debt, I value money more than ever and hold a strict rule living within your means.

I never go to the casino or buy lottery tickets. I hate to gamble.

Habits are hard to break. After I get out of debt, why stop there? If my lifestyle doesn't change significantly, there is no reason why I couldn't invest $500.00 per month.

Trading online is something I always wanted to do since 1996. For the first time in my life I will finally be able to begin to do it.

I expect losses in the beginning, as from what I read, the learning curve is harsh. Even if I do manage to get efficient enough to turn a profit, I plan on only making a very tiny bit.

I have come up with a general plan I feel would realistically be reasonable as a new student of the online trading world.

My plan:
In June open up a $1300.00 brokerage cash account. After comparing many brokerages, I have concluded that OptionsHouse would best suit my needs. The trading platform is all browser based and simplified. I noticed nobody reviewed it, so while getting my feet wet, I can give back to this community with a review of it sometime down the road.

When making a trade, I will always operate with a 30% buffer. Hopefully, this 30% buffer will be enough to fund my learning curve.

With the initial $1300.00, I will only trade with $1000.00, leaving me with $300.00 to cover losses from my trades so that I can continue to make $1000.00 trades. If my trading equity ever gets near $1000.00, I will stop trading until I put more capital into the account.

Each month after June I will transfer an additional $500.00 into the account. Of course by doing this, my trading limit will increase each month, and my 30% buffer will increase as well. Allowing me access to more stocks or higher priced stocks as time goes on.

I never plan on trading stocks valued below $2.00, mainly because the fees will become too expensive for me.

My very first trade I plan on being 500 shares slightly above $2.00 in a slow moving stock. If it increases by 2 cents, I should be able to make a 4 dollar profit (before taxes). I will try to limit my losses to around 2 cents per share - which would be a $16.00 loss. I will take all day on this one trade if I have to. I am in no hurry.

I will ease myself into this. One day trade per week I think I can handle. I won't make myself any promises until I get the feel for it. I may dabble in short-term trading at some point. I do know for certain that I do not want to ever try long-term trading.

My ultimate goal is to eventually get to a level where I continuously turn a 0.5% profit per month. But that is a pipedream. The journey will be the experience. Weather I make money or lose money, for me personally, It will be worth it.

With my work scedule, I will be available during the morning hours EST, so I have a good opportunity here.

I am excited for June to get here! Thanks for this site. I am leaning alot. I will be a fly on the wall for teh most part. But if I have an important question I will not hesitate to tap into your experience wisdom and knowledge.

P.S. Buzzed is just an internet persona. I don't do drugs or drink. :p Nice to meet you all. Any tips, advice, criticisms, and life lessons are welcomed.


Trade on a simulator until you know you have a profitable trading strategy. Then trade minimal dollars to learn the ins-and-outs of real money trading.

You've proven that you have discipline and follow-through in dealing with your debt. Both are important characteristics of a successful trader. I wish you the best of luck.
 
Life lesson #4386:

When you post on a trading message board, and people start giving you advice on what and how to trade, you eventually learn that the particular method of trading which works for you has very little to do with the advice which has been offered.

Learning what works for you is going to take trading real money, and real losses.

I appreciate your discipline, but there are lots of doctors, dentists, pilots, architects, etc., who have plenty of it, but could never trade their way out of a wet paper bag.

You need to find your style through hard knocks and tuition. Period.

Merry Christmas.
 
Quote from Buzzed:



With my work scedule, I will be available during the morning hours EST, so I have a good opportunity here.

I am excited for June to get here! Thanks for this site. I am leaning alot. I will be a fly on the wall for teh most part. But if I have an important question I will not hesitate to tap into your experience wisdom and knowledge.

P.S. Buzzed is just an internet persona. I don't do drugs or drink. :p Nice to meet you all. Any tips, advice, criticisms, and life lessons are welcomed.
Stack the deck in your favor,
Study passive index investing principles, market history , asset classes and diversification.

Might ought to read books by bogle, rick ferri , swedroe etc.


http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/index.php.
 
Quote from jnbadger:

Life lesson #4386:

When you post on a trading message board, and people start giving you advice on what and how to trade, you eventually learn that the particular method of trading which works for you has very little to do with the advice which has been offered.

Learning what works for you is going to take trading real money, and real losses.

I appreciate your discipline, but there are lots of doctors, dentists, pilots, architects, etc., who have plenty of it, but could never trade their way out of a wet paper bag.

You need to find your style through hard knocks and tuition. Period.

Merry Christmas.
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With all due respect, some incredibly ridiculous suggestions here.

The guy has 1300 and no experience and futures are suggested?

On top of that, stops of 3 ticks in a whippy instrument like Nasdaq Futures ?

Who are you kidding ? Only the best of the best can survive a futures market with small capital and micro stops.

Reminder, the guy has no experience and such experience takes years to collect.

I apologize for the negative response in Xmas but I could not help myself.

My suggestion ? Watch one market for an incredibly amount of time, 2 years for example is only scratching the surface, don't trade a penny until things start to make sense. Harsh but the correct way.

Best of luck.

No Heat
 
I have a better idea than the rest of the gamblers here.

Save 6 months of emergency cash instead. So now that you will have no debt, give yourself a 6 month buffer just for any emergency.
 
Hypothetical situation.

"In June open up a $1300.00 brokerage cash account."

"Maybe with $1300.00 you should spend the money on books?"

"Fuck that shit, I want to trade":D

"I don't need no stinkin books":eek:
 
Quote from Arthur Deco:

Mind, no disrespect intended, we are just friendly joshing. I believe that the key to profitable trading is to avoid MM and company manipulation as much as possible. I believe that an index future exhibits manipulation to the least extent.

Arthur, none taken man. When it comes to trading everyone has different opinions on things, which is a good thing I guess.

My question to you is how you figure MM and company manipulation would effect profitability for a small time trader?

The way I see it is if there is manipulation (I am sure there is to some degree) that the manipulation would work in your favor as much as it would against you, pretty much evening out. I think it would be like this because a small timer would not be the target of manipulation on a liquid stock.

Please let me know your reasoning behind your opinion.
 
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