I've got 5K, what now?

I would say protect your capital never put your account in a position where a single trade can blow it out. Protect your profits don't let them become losers. Cut losses using prearranged stops. Write a trading journal and monitor what works and what does not work.
For trading strategies there is plenty of info out there you must develop your own style and know what is working and what is not.
 
Gamble on calls or puts.

Even if you blow your account trading your trade plan, it will not help you. Look at me for example. I blew up 2 accounts and am not an inch wiser. The people who say that blow-ups make you learn are stupid. It's like saying with same analogy as earlier posters, taking a bullet to the chest will make you appreciate life more. Well thats obviously true, but WTH, you almost died!!

I stand by what I say. Which, you need 500k to make 100k a year (20%) which is reasonable. If you don't get 500k leverage with prop firm then dont "trade" the 5k, but gamble it. I seriously think gamblers can make more money then traders, when it comes to capital as small as 5k.

Blowing-up 5k is only a good decision if you decide to become a trader for the next 10 years. 10 years is a lifetime.
Its like deciding whether you want to be a garbageman for the rest of your life. And if your young a decision you wont be able to make wisely. Actually, nobody will be able to make such a decision.

Otherwise its much wiser to invest the 5k until you grow to bigger amounts like 50k. Trading with 5k is suicide unless you "trade" into a short in a bear market, where theres chance to make 1000% in few weeks. We are now in a bull market, no fast profits are really possible "trading", so you have to gamble IMO.

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You should not gamble until you have real experience and have all ducks in a row. Then you could take a higher risk. But I still think you should not risk it all becaus eblowing out an account is demorilizing. You should not think of it as a gamble. If you do go to the casinos and have fun. This is trading and you should be utilizing your skillsto make good trades. You need to know what those skills are.
 
Quote from NoDoji:

What have you been paper trading (stocks, futs, fx, options)?

Swing trading or day trading?

How large is the sim account you've been trading?

these are important questions, as well as:

have you factored commissions into your simulated calculations?
 
I am a new trader too. Don't let anyone discourage you.
You have read a lot about how to be a displined trader.

For starter, you need lots of screen time and study your trades and setup-back test. Sim trading is very critical but is has be treated as a live account.

With 5K you can trade Dow mini future. That's what I am Sim trading now. I only trade one contract and slowly add one more. I am only investing 5K too.

Only focus on one market, one or two set up, one or two patterns and master them! Don't over trade.

Make sure with all your set up and plan , you can be consistenly profitable for a month. Then take 25% off the result, it will be the result in your live account!

5K must be mentally forgotten from your account. You will never be successful if it's scared money.

Good luck!
 
Quote from Went Fishing:

WoW, 5k, honestly... I didn't know you could open an account with that.. I'll assume you know you can... It's already been said but I believe it bears repeating..... Paper trading... the notion of (resetting) account balance.... I, for one believe in "paper trading" but I call it back testing & forward testing... When I'm asked to suggest a start up plan for a first time trader I start with the Market...
What market ? What size? With 5k you are limited from the start !!! I trade currency futures (euro/usd) only. I started trading the D Mark several years ago and have never bought or sold a stock, and never intend to! You'll have to consider margins ( I'm futures minded) and with 5k, your (very) limited. Next is tools.
A guy can fix most anything with duct tape and wd40, but you can't trade anything with "paper". If you paper traded using end of day OHLC data you'll be in for a big surprise when your positions and stops sit in realtime market data. I use IB for data $10.00 mo.. Ensign Software for charting $49.95 mo. and Ninja Trader for order entry $1000.00 purchase. Of course I have a computer, 3 screens all on a UPS. A modem, router, phone, printer and TV also on a UPS if I have a power dip or outage I need time to liquidate my positions. Let's assume your a smart guy, and the thousands of dollars your spending on school aren't being wasted. Let's further assume you have a goal (major) and plan on achieving that goal in the future and follow through on your career path. I would invite you to take a similar view of your trading career.
Someone or something has motivated you this far (paper trading) that's good. However, I honestly don't believe you (or any new trader) can put up a fair fight with 5k and survive in any market for any length of time, you need screen time.
This is my answer to your question "now what?" Borrow another 5k, 10k total (just keep reading) and open an account with IB. For $10.00 mo you'll have live data, the data is free if you generate $30.00 in comm each month. But for right now you just want the data for $120.00 a year, which IB takes out of your account at rate of $10.00 mo. Once you get the account set up you must maintain a balance of $2000.00 (I think) to keep the account active. So take $7800.00 out of the account and payback the 5k you just borrowed. Ensign Software is a monthly (lease) deal, you download the program and they charge your CC each mo $49.95 so for $600.00 a year you'll have a charting program that is incredible. Then, and I feel this is the most important piece of the setup, "paying for" Ninja Trader. I think you can get NT mo by mo but I feel making a commitment to yourself and your trading career by paying the $1000.00 is a bonus! The importance of NT is it's analytics. NT offers analytics such as MAE, MFE, efficiency of entry, efficiency of exit equity graphs by trade, day, week, month, year, % profitable time to recover and on and on and on......on simulated accounts as well as your funded account. And you have $1200.00 cash in your hand (to put back in IB account).
Now you can LEARN TO TRADE in the REAL world!!!! You can do ALMOST anything and track your progress. Your goal is to develop a trading system (edge) that's yours and you will know every parameter of every indicator.... you can backtest a day of data @ 10x speed and foward test realtime... You will learn (for instance) that 78% of the time if you let your profits run and wait for your system to tell you to close the position (instead of taking profits to early) you will maximize your profit potential. Knowing a system that YOU built and knowing when it gives you a buy signal (even when it makes no sense to you) is profitable 75% of the time will take A LOT of emotion out of your trading.. You will KNOW your maximum drawdown (if any) for the month BEFORE you put your first trade on..Oh did you realize you can do all this for over a year and not invest ANY MORE MONEY until your ready to start extracting money from the market. There's only one reason to trade TO MAKE MONEY not for fun, not for excitement, not for something NEW to do... For me trading is very boring I putter around my office waiting for entry signals to go off then sit and wait for the exit signal. The way to make money is to KNOW your going to make money BEFORE you start. It's not an easy task building a system, but I believe it's the only way to be consistently profitable in this business.
Stay in school you might need it. It's a hell of a lot of work designing a proven edge, most traders never do! I'll close by mentioning books, even though your computer will do all the math for all your indicators. Buy the books written by the guys who built the indicators you're using, most developers share "their babys" strengths and weaknesses, And take the time to learn the math, even though you'll never do the math, learn what the indicator is doing, you'll probably want to tweek the parameters a bit so it ain't like everyone eleses . There are a FEW great reference books that need to be on your book shelf. Keep your nose out of all the Psycho babel books, if your heads f'dup your system is f'dup. If you develop a proven mathematical edge that you trust from opening bell to closing bell your trading will be effortless.

Good Trading
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Great Answer!!

" The way to make money is to KNOW your going to make money BEFORE you start "

Excellent , this the key for consistency

Thank you
 
Quote from Matcha:

I am a new trader too. Don't let anyone discourage you.
You have read a lot about how to be a displined trader.

For starter, you need lots of screen time and study your trades and setup-back test. Sim trading is very critical but is has be treated as a live account.

With 5K you can trade Dow mini future. That's what I am Sim trading now. I only trade one contract and slowly add one more. I am only investing 5K too.

Only focus on one market, one or two set up, one or two patterns and master them! Don't over trade.

Make sure with all your set up and plan , you can be consistenly profitable for a month. Then take 25% off the result, it will be the result in your live account!

5K must be mentally forgotten from your account. You will never be successful if it's scared money.

Good luck!

Very good advice!!!

thank you
 
Quote from Kassz007:

The OP must also understand that TZ is a previously failed trader, who continuously discourages new traders from trying.

The OP must realize Kass is a mentally deficient simpleton that spend his youth locked in a dark cellar, with only urine for food. He got started in trading by reading Trading for Idiots, and now is ready to progress onto paper trading.

Now, back to the thread.
 
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