It's time to start shunning the 'vaccine hesitant.' They're blocking COVID herd immunity.

[Buy1Sell2]

I had it over a year ago and am pretty sure I have come in contact with the virus plenty of times in the last 6 months.This is still an emergency authorization vaccine and I don't want to take it unless totally necessary.

Looks like you'll drinking from the fountain on the right. This is what Marxists like GWB want.

 

[AR15]

I had it over a year ago and am pretty sure I have come in contact with the virus plenty of times in the last 6 months.This is still an emergency authorization vaccine and I don't want to take it unless totally necessary.

i agree with you on this, i dont want a rushed emergency vaccine either. i had the china virus last year so i have immunity as well.

1 year isnt enough, long term effects are 25 years+ away from now

also, 99.9+% survival rate even once long term effects are known i will not take it simply because its not worth my time

 

[Buy1Sell2]

i agree with you on this, i dont want a rushed emergency vaccine either. i had the china virus last year so i have immunity as well.

1 year isnt enough, long term effects are 25 years+ away from now

also, 99.9+% survival rate even once long term effects are known i will not take it simply because its not worth my time

I suspect that you are likely immune for good. Any reports of reinfection are anecdotal at best and extremely rare.

 

[AR15]

I suspect that you are likely immune for good. Any reports of reinfection are anecdotal at best and extremely rare.

yeah dude, what i cant stand is liberals saying that getting the virus isnt enough AND you need the vaccine to be immune.....

vaccines make you immune by giving your body a little bit of the virus to build up an immunity to it, getting the virus is just a larger scale version (and more effective)

 

[wrbtrader]

It's time to start shunning the 'vaccine hesitant.' They're blocking COVID herd immunity.
Enough analysis of these human petri dishes. Everyone who wants a vaccine will soon have one, and proof should be required to work, play and travel.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-normal-life-herd-immunity-column/4886673001/

Has-been rock star Ted Nugent told the world last week that he has COVID-19. Nugent’s announcement was an oddity because he previously called the viral pandemic a “leftist scam to destroy” former president Donald Trump. As I watched Nugent’s Facebook Live post, in which he repeatedly hocked up wads of phlegm and spit them to the ground, I got emotional when he described being so sick he thought he “was dying.” But when he trashed the COVID-19 vaccine and warned people against taking it, I realized that the emotion I was feeling was not empathy, it was anger.

For the better part of a year, as the coronavirus racked up hundreds of thousands of American deaths, the flickering light at the end of the tunnel was herd immunity — the antibody force-shield that comes when enough people have survived the illness or have been vaccinated against it. "Go get vaccinated, America," President Biden said in his speech to Congress this week, referring to the shot as "a dose of hope.”

Friends don't let friends spread COVID
Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease doctor, suggested in December that if 75% to 85% of the population got vaccinated, we could reach herd immunity by June. And with herd immunity, we’d return to a measure of “normalcy,” meaning indoor dining, movie theaters and hugs.

But herd immunity is slipping away because a quarter of Americans are refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group recently said: “There is no eradication at this point, it’s off the table. …We as a society have rejected” herd immunity. Hmm, no! “We” have not rejected anything. A quarter of the country is ruining it for all of us.

It’s not just wacky former rockers who have put herd immunity out of reach. It is white evangelicals (45% say they won't get vaccinated). And it is Republicans (almost 50% are refusing the vaccine). In Texas, 59% of white Republicans have said “no” to the vaccine. You can slap the euphemism “vaccine hesitancy” on the problem, but in the end the G.O.P., and the children of G.O.D., are perpetuating a virus that is sickening and killing people in droves.

A big part of the problem stems from the cultish relationship many evangelicals and Republicans have with former President Donald Trump. They absorbed his endless efforts to downplay the danger of the virus and turn public health precautions into a political freedom movement. But the time for analyzing why these human petri dishes have chosen to ignore the medical science that could save them, and us, is over. We need a different strategy. I propose shunning.

Biden’s wildly successful vaccine rollout means that soon everyone who wants a vaccine will have one. When that happens, restaurants, movie theaters, gyms, barbers, airlines and Ubers should require proof of vaccination before providing their services.

And it shouldn’t stop there. Businesses should make vaccination a requirement for employment. A COVID outbreak can shut down a business and be financially devastating. And failure to enforce basic health and safety measures is not fair to employees who have to work in offices, factories, and stores where close contact is required. Things should get personal, too: People should require friends to be vaccinated to attend the barbeques and birthday parties they host. Friends don’t let friends spread COVID.

As I’m writing this I can almost see the Twitter rebuttals: “If people want to risk being microchipped by the deep state, they can protect themselves by getting a vaccine without making me do the same.” Nope. In its real life application, the vaccine is about 90% effective. Sure, that’s impressive, but if the roulette wheels makes you one of the unlucky 10%, it’s little consolation.

There have already been several thousand documented “breakthrough” cases of COVID-19 infections in people who have been vaccinated. Some have died. And with coronavirus variants popping up across the globe, for which the vaccine is less effective, we should expect to see more infections in vaccinated people.

Half-witted personal autonomy
Unwilling to miss an opportunity to flout common sense, Republican leaders from Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arkansas and other states want to prevent businesses from requiring customers to be vaccinated. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has already issued an executive order “prohibiting businesses from requiring patrons or customers to show vaccine documentation.”

There are decades of state laws that require vaccination before children can attend schools. There are seatbelt and helmet laws, no-texting-while-driving laws, and countless other laws that restrict individual freedoms to ensure safety for the public at large. Despite this, vaccine requirements designed to curb a global pandemic that has cost us more than 570,000 American lives is the hill on which Republicans want to die.

When states pass these laws, designed to tell private companies how to run their businesses, there should be immediate legal challenges. Surely, if a bakery can refuse to provide its services to a gay couple getting married, they can refuse to bake a cake for people who choose to place themselves, the bakery staff and its customers at risk of contracting a deadly illness.

As a country, America has become too tolerant of half-witted individual autonomy that ignores the existential needs of the vast majority of its citizens. While writing this column I caught a TV promo for a new documentary in which Cher saves an elephant. It made me think of her performance in "Moonstruck." Vaccine hesitancy? We need Cher to slap us in the face and tell us to “snap out of it.”

Michael J. Stern, a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors, was a federal prosecutor for 25 years in Detroit and Los Angeles. Follow him on Twitter: @MichaelJStern1

Many people have not been vaccinated or do not plan to be vaccinated for many different reasons.

The ones I don't like are the ones not being vaccinated via a conspiracy theory or political reason. Yet, these type of Covidiots that fall in the latter still have a right to not be vaccinated but life will soon become very difficult for them...

They will not be able to travel out of the country, will not be able to enroll in a university, will not be able to join the military and may even lose their employment. All of these things I've just mentioned has already been happening in the past 60 days.

There's other situations...they will not be able to play organize sports.

All the above have exempts for medical reasons (e.g. allergic) but it all must be verified.

Further, there's now growing evidence that those that had been infected with Covid in the recent past and still have long haulers illnesses...the vaccination has decreased or eliminated those long haulers illnesses.

Regardless, I have a strong belief that most that are refusing to be vaccinated is because of a conspiracy theory or political reason. Best thing for these people is to either get infected again...survive it and have immunity for awhile or get infected and die off...

Similar to other deadly diseases in history.

wrbtrader

 

[notagain]

Got the first shot of Moderna vaccine, now my right shoulder is warmer than my left shoulder.
Caught something in April and again in November. The virus is very contagious and it mutates.
All information is exaggerated and manipulative. China to this day has not come clean. They should expose those that funded gain of function research. You modify a virus into a super contagious danger and it gets loose. Honest leaders would have taken responsibility.

 

[Ricter]

They should expose those that funded gain of function research.

Which one of the lying media's feeds told you this?

 

[LS1Z28]

It's time to start shunning the 'vaccine hesitant.' They're blocking COVID herd immunity.
Enough analysis of these human petri dishes. Everyone who wants a vaccine will soon have one, and proof should be required to work, play and travel.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-normal-life-herd-immunity-column/4886673001/

Has-been rock star Ted Nugent told the world last week that he has COVID-19. Nugent’s announcement was an oddity because he previously called the viral pandemic a “leftist scam to destroy” former president Donald Trump. As I watched Nugent’s Facebook Live post, in which he repeatedly hocked up wads of phlegm and spit them to the ground, I got emotional when he described being so sick he thought he “was dying.” But when he trashed the COVID-19 vaccine and warned people against taking it, I realized that the emotion I was feeling was not empathy, it was anger.

For the better part of a year, as the coronavirus racked up hundreds of thousands of American deaths, the flickering light at the end of the tunnel was herd immunity — the antibody force-shield that comes when enough people have survived the illness or have been vaccinated against it. "Go get vaccinated, America," President Biden said in his speech to Congress this week, referring to the shot as "a dose of hope.”

Friends don't let friends spread COVID
Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease doctor, suggested in December that if 75% to 85% of the population got vaccinated, we could reach herd immunity by June. And with herd immunity, we’d return to a measure of “normalcy,” meaning indoor dining, movie theaters and hugs.

But herd immunity is slipping away because a quarter of Americans are refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group recently said: “There is no eradication at this point, it’s off the table. …We as a society have rejected” herd immunity. Hmm, no! “We” have not rejected anything. A quarter of the country is ruining it for all of us.

It’s not just wacky former rockers who have put herd immunity out of reach. It is white evangelicals (45% say they won't get vaccinated). And it is Republicans (almost 50% are refusing the vaccine). In Texas, 59% of white Republicans have said “no” to the vaccine. You can slap the euphemism “vaccine hesitancy” on the problem, but in the end the G.O.P., and the children of G.O.D., are perpetuating a virus that is sickening and killing people in droves.

A big part of the problem stems from the cultish relationship many evangelicals and Republicans have with former President Donald Trump. They absorbed his endless efforts to downplay the danger of the virus and turn public health precautions into a political freedom movement. But the time for analyzing why these human petri dishes have chosen to ignore the medical science that could save them, and us, is over. We need a different strategy. I propose shunning.

Biden’s wildly successful vaccine rollout means that soon everyone who wants a vaccine will have one. When that happens, restaurants, movie theaters, gyms, barbers, airlines and Ubers should require proof of vaccination before providing their services.

And it shouldn’t stop there. Businesses should make vaccination a requirement for employment. A COVID outbreak can shut down a business and be financially devastating. And failure to enforce basic health and safety measures is not fair to employees who have to work in offices, factories, and stores where close contact is required. Things should get personal, too: People should require friends to be vaccinated to attend the barbeques and birthday parties they host. Friends don’t let friends spread COVID.

As I’m writing this I can almost see the Twitter rebuttals: “If people want to risk being microchipped by the deep state, they can protect themselves by getting a vaccine without making me do the same.” Nope. In its real life application, the vaccine is about 90% effective. Sure, that’s impressive, but if the roulette wheels makes you one of the unlucky 10%, it’s little consolation.

There have already been several thousand documented “breakthrough” cases of COVID-19 infections in people who have been vaccinated. Some have died. And with coronavirus variants popping up across the globe, for which the vaccine is less effective, we should expect to see more infections in vaccinated people.

Half-witted personal autonomy
Unwilling to miss an opportunity to flout common sense, Republican leaders from Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arkansas and other states want to prevent businesses from requiring customers to be vaccinated. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has already issued an executive order “prohibiting businesses from requiring patrons or customers to show vaccine documentation.”

There are decades of state laws that require vaccination before children can attend schools. There are seatbelt and helmet laws, no-texting-while-driving laws, and countless other laws that restrict individual freedoms to ensure safety for the public at large. Despite this, vaccine requirements designed to curb a global pandemic that has cost us more than 570,000 American lives is the hill on which Republicans want to die.

When states pass these laws, designed to tell private companies how to run their businesses, there should be immediate legal challenges. Surely, if a bakery can refuse to provide its services to a gay couple getting married, they can refuse to bake a cake for people who choose to place themselves, the bakery staff and its customers at risk of contracting a deadly illness.

As a country, America has become too tolerant of half-witted individual autonomy that ignores the existential needs of the vast majority of its citizens. While writing this column I caught a TV promo for a new documentary in which Cher saves an elephant. It made me think of her performance in "Moonstruck." Vaccine hesitancy? We need Cher to slap us in the face and tell us to “snap out of it.”

Michael J. Stern, a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors, was a federal prosecutor for 25 years in Detroit and Los Angeles. Follow him on Twitter: @MichaelJStern1

The CDC estimates that COVID has an R0 number of 2.5. This suggests that herd immunity should be achieved once 60-70% of our population has immunity. I know that Fauci has said that it's higher, but the R0 data doesn't support that claim. I believe he's just saying that to encourage as many people as possible to get vaccinated.

Federal law prohibits employers from requiring their employees to take a vaccine that's only authorized for emergency use. They can't require them to take the vaccine until after it receives full FDA approval.

You have to remember that herd immunity doesn't mean the complete irradiation of a virus. It just means that it won't spread uncontrollably throughout the population. Cases are down 90% in my state since January. Our country as a whole is well upon it's way to herd immunity. The 25-30% that decide not to get vaccinated won't stop it.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

You have to remember that herd immunity doesn't mean the complete irradiation of a virus. It just means that it won't spread uncontrollably throughout the population. Cases are down 90% in my state since January. Our country as a whole is well upon it's way to herd immunity. The 25-30% that decide not to get vaccinated won't stop it.

Correct with one caveat.----We have been in herd immunity since Dec 20, 2020. ----What these Marxists like GWB,Riki Tiki Tavi and Extra Goat Roper don't care to understand is that the virus can still exist during herd immunity.

 

[jem]

You once again leave out the potential for T Cell immunity to push your twisted point of view...

For months on the herd immunity thread you would just make unfounded statements about there being no such thing as T cell immunity for Covid..
Yet I pointed out many experts who said there was or there could be..

You kept lying about it... and denigrating the experts.

So here today... your experts said this... you lying piece of propaganda pushing shit. ..


From your article....


"Published in The Lancet Microbe, the study noted that patients with low levels of neutralizing antibodies may still be protected from COVID-19 if they have a robust T-cell immunity."



"The presence of T-cell immunity provides hope of longer-term protection which will require more studies and time for epidemiological and clinical evidence to confirm," the author said.

Quick Summary: Nearly 40% of people who had COVID do not develop sufficient anti-bodies to stop them from catching COVID a second time within 6 months. This aligns with other research on re-infections and the percentage of people being re-infected. Only vaccinated anti-body immunity will lead to herd immunity.

From the article:

From the analysis, the researchers created five categories based on how long antibodies lasted in an individual.

The first category, called the "negative" group, included the individuals who never developed detectable neutralizing antibodies. This group comprised 11.6% of participants.

Comprising 26.8% of patients, the second group is called the "rapid waning" group and showed varying early levels of antibodies that waned quickly. The third category comprised 29% of participants and was called the "slow waning" group as these patients tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 for up to half a year.

The fourth group, called the "persistent" group, comprised 31.7% of patients and showed little change in their antibody levels up to 180 days. The last group, or the "delayed response" group, covered only 1.8% of subjects and included those who showed a marked rise in neutralizing antibodies during late convalescence.

Individual COVID-19 Antibodies Could Last Days To Decades, Scientists Find
https://www.ibtimes.com/individual-...uld-last-days-decades-scientists-find-3168292