Quote from murray t turtle:
Jesus believes in hell, dont go there as we say ;
may want to read your new testament.
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There is hell or Heaven, and of these you choose but one.
There is Heaven and earth, and of these you choose but one.
There is light, or darkness, and of these you choose but one.
There is limitless spirit, and there are limited bodies, and of these you choose but one.
There is Oneness, or there is separation; of these you choose but one.
How do you make the choice? You always choose between your weakness and the strength of Christ in you.
And what you choose is what you think is real.
What is temptation but the wish to stay in hell and misery?
Whatever form temptation seems to take, it always reflects a wish to be a self that you are not. And from that wish a concept rises, teaching that you are the thing you wish to be. It will remain your concept of yourself until the wish that fathered it no longer is held dear. But while you cherish it, you will behold your brother in the likeness of the self whose image has the wish begot of you.
My brother, choose once again if you would take your place among the saviors of the world, or would remain in hell, and hold your brothers there.
Temptation has one lesson it would teach: It would persuade the Holy Son of God he is a body, born in what must die, unable to escape it's frailty, and bound by what it orders him to feel. It sets limits on what he can do; his power is the only strength he has; his grasp cannot exceed its tiny reach.
Is this what you would choose to be if Christ appeared to you in all his Glory and said, "My brother, choose again" ?
My brothers, who has convinced you that you are not in hell? And who has convinced you that hell is real? What is unreal must be hell. Yet you spend all your energy telling yourselves that the worlds of time, space and form are real! How is this not temptation?
The world is "dark". How is that not hell? You see only fear, and fear
is hell. This is a world you have made, and it is this world salvation would undo. You do not know how you made such a world. If you did, it would be gone.
There is no statement the world is more afraid of than this:
I do not know the thing I am, and therefore do not know what I am doing, where I am, or how to look upon the world or myself.
Yet if you can learn this, salvation is born in you.
Salvation is undoing. What have you done?
You've made an image of yourself that is simply not true! You've made bodies, saying, "I am made in the image of God". You've said, "Bodies are real". You've made ignorance, saying, "I am a son of the big bang and/or chemical/evolutionary/natural/cyclical processes".
Either way, you do not know the thing you are!
But this is your will, and God himself has said, "Thy will be done". Your will be done, you holy child of God. It does not matter if you think you are in earth or in Heaven. What your Father wills of you can never change. The truth in you remains as radiant as a star, as pure as light, as innocent as love itself. And you
are worthy that your will be done.
You live in Heaven just as much as you live in hell...
For both are concepts of yourself, which can be interchanged, but never jointly held.
You see the flesh or recognize the spirit. There is no compromise between the two. If one is real, the other must be false, for what is real denies it's opposite. What you decide in this determines all you see and think is real and hold as true. On this one choice does all your world depend, for here have you established what you are, as flesh or spirit in your own belief. If you choose flesh, you never will escape the body as your own reality, for you have chosen that you want it so. But choose spirit, and all Heaven bends to touch your eyes and bless your holy sight, that you may see the world of flesh no more except to heal and comfort and to bless.
The concept of the self stands like a shield, a silent barricade before the truth, and hides it from your sight. All things you see are images, because you look on them as through a barrier that dims your sight and warps your vision, so that you behold nothing with clarity. The light is kept from everything you see. At best, you glimpse a shadow of what lies beyond. At worst, you merely look on darkness, and perceive the terrified imaginings that come form guilty thoughts and concepts born of fear.
And what you see is hell, for fear is hell.
Be vigilant against temptation, then, remembering that it is but a wish, insane and meaningless, to make yourself a thing that you are not. It is a thing of madness, pain and death; a thing of treachery and black despair, of failing dreams and no remaining hope except to die, and end the dream of fear.
Think upon the thing you would be instead. Behold your role within the universe! You have a part to fulfill in the undoing of all of this. And unless you fulfill your part, none of this is undone. This is the "law" that I came to fulfill. I have done my part, and you will do yours. Without yours, the law is not fulfilled.
To each one has the Lord of Love allowed the grace to be a savior to the holy ones especially entrusted to his care. To you has He entrusted the salvation of every part of creation from the misery of hell.
Yet while you wish to stay in hell, how could you be the savior of the Son of God? And what could this give rise to but an image of yourself that can be miserable, and remain in hell and torment?
To everyone has God entrusted all, because a partial savior would be one who is but partly saved. The holy ones whom God has given you to save are but everyone you meet or look upon, not knowing who they are; all those you saw an instant and forgot, and those you knew a long while since, and those you will yet meet; the unremembered and the not yet born. For God has given you His Son to save from every concept that he ever held.
Learn to see but one brother not in hell, and you have saved yourself, and thus you are the savior to the rest. Therefore I choose to see a self-concept known as the "pope"...and see instead a brother who has lost his way. I see him as he is, a Son of God, who's rightful home is Heaven. And in so seeing, I see myself, and save myself.
I am the way. This is the way.
Jesus
