It's November 30th - Healthcare.gov still broken

Quote from Tsing Tao:

...Or you could put me on ignore again. That'd do the trick.
He can't put you on ignore again. You're practically the only one left he doesn't have on ignore that converses with him.

:D
 
Quote from DHOHHI:

Whereas the lack of expansion of Medicaid will cost taxpayers in those states Odumbocare is costing everyone in that everyone is being FORCED to buy a product that is not what many want or need. I feel like a broken record but why would a 50 something person want maternity coverage? Pediatric dental? Pediatric vision? Mental health?

The only people making out are those with nice substantial subsidies. Further, the indigent get free healthcare from Medicaid. Ask WHY Odumbo wants to give subsidies to a family of 4 making over $90K/year. People making that much should not get a subsidy. You can blame Republicans but Democrats continue with the mindset of spend, spend, spend and free $$$$ for everyone that they hope to get votes from now, and in the future.

Not only should you feel like a broken record, but you are a broken record. You have to buy maternity care for the exact same reason that someone without a prostate has to buy coverage for prostate disease.

I don't like to be impolite but my one bit of advice to you would be to grow up. Your behavior is paralleling that of the nursery school child who would rather break a toy than share it. Your reality is the same as mine. We both have to deal with the ACA. It is statutory law now. If we don't like it we have remedies available. We can seek, through our representatives in Government, to change the law, but at the moment there is zero chance -- let me repeat that in case it hasn't sunk in, ZERO! chance -- of your Odumbocare or my Obamney care being repealed. The earliest that could possibly happen is 2017. So find something constructive to do between now and then.

P.S. You would do yourself a favor by becoming familiar with the requirements that must be met in the various States to qualify for medicaid. Just being indigent does not automatically qualify you. That's what expansion was all about!, viz., bringing all those who are indigent but could NOT previously qualify, under the expanded medicaid tent. And this business of States opting out is aimed at wrecking Obamney care. It is a strategy move that cannot be justified on financial grounds as it is not saving the States that are opting out anything. This slash and burn strategy is one hundred percent ideologically driven. It's a disgrace.
 
It might have no chance of being repealed.
But there is no law saying the house has to fund it.
I Rep Chaffee make that point a 2 nights ago.
 
Quote from piezoe:

Not only should you feel like a broken record, but you are a broken record. You have to buy maternity care for the exact same reason that someone without a prostate has to buy coverage for prostate disease.

I don't like to be impolite but my one bit of advice to you would be to grow up. Your behavior is paralleling that of the nursery school child who would rather break a toy than share it. Your reality is the same as mine. We both have to deal with the ACA. It is statutory law now. If we don't like it we have remedies available. We can seek, through our representatives in Government, to change the law, but at the moment there is zero chance -- let me repeat that in case it hasn't sunk in, ZERO! chance -- of your Odumbocare or my Obamney care being repealed. The earliest that could possibly happen is 2017. So find something constructive to do between now and then.

P.S. You would do yourself a favor by becoming familiar with the requirements that must be met in the various States to qualify for medicaid. Just being indigent does not automatically qualify you. That's what expansion was all about!, viz., bringing all those who are indigent but could NOT previously qualify, under the expanded medicaid tent. And this business of States opting out is aimed at wrecking Obamney care. It is a strategy move that cannot be justified on financial grounds as it is not saving the States that are opting out anything. This slash and burn strategy is one hundred percent ideologically driven. It's a disgrace.
ideologically driven? that's how we ended up with this crazy law in the first place. It has nothing to do with healthcare, it is just based on how many votes it could get without violating too many ideologies. There should have never been any state exchanges, but that would violate an ideology. Medicaid should just simply be a federal program and have nothing to do with the states. Means tested Medicaid is just about the only thing everybody agrees on and violates nobody's ideology. The only way out is to honor the lie, "If you like it you can keep it." and expand Medicaid on the federal level. I'm already going to be paying the fine, at least that way I would get something for my money.

otherwise, you crack me up. I don't like to be impolite, BUT (then followed by some impolite cheap shot.)
 
Quote from DHOHHI:

I read The Healing of America by T.R. Reid .. NYT Bestseller.

It covers how healthcare works elsewhere ... France, Germany, Japan, UK, Canada ..... none are perfect but we could learn a lot IMO from some of these countries.

I remember years ago when 60 Minutes did a piece of US citizens going to places like India (I think) for certain surgeries in large part due to cost.
Thank you for a constructive comment. That, indeed, is almost all we needed to do,i.e., learn from others. We were prevented from implementing directly a simple solution to our health care woes by the medical cartel via their corporate political influence. If we do things in the proper order, however, we will eventually be able to reform our healthcare. The reform will have to come in steps. We goofed by not repealing McCarran Ferguson as step one. So now we have the ACA in place as step one. This does not preclude us from taking the other necessary steps needed to break the power of the Cartel.

The follow-on steps needed are 2) repeal of the McCarran Ferguson Act; 3) Introduction of prescribing pharmacists in all 50 States; 4) Encouraging, rather than discouraging as now, the free trade of pharmaceuticals, by legitimate prescription, across borders by individuals; 5) Requiring that Drug insurance coverage pays up to the U.S. allowance for prescription medicine, regardless of source. (This becomes immediately doable under DOC regulation, once McCarran Ferguson is repealed.) 6) Elimination of insurance networks. (same comment as above)

If these steps are followed in the order listed, the Cartel will be brought, if not to its knees, to at least a mild genuflect. It will become politically possible to take the final steps needed to reform U.S. medical care. Costs will drop by 50% or more and the quality of U.S. Medical care will improve.. All of the above steps are compatible with the ACA. So they can be accomplished with the ACA in place.

We must divide and conquer. We will never succeed by taking on the politically most powerful members of the Cartel directly, and all at the same time. We have to ambush them.

There will always be those selfish individuals that don't think you deserve access to medical care if you can't pay for it. But they will also always be in the minority. They will be ignored, as they deserve to be.

Let's keep in mind the many benefits to all of bringing health care costs in line with the other developed nations, including: far fewer individuals who can not afford to pay for their care, elimination of medical bankruptcies, a reduction in the federal debt over time, ceteris paribus, and vastly improved health for an entire Nation of over three-hundred-million people.
 
Quote from piezoe:

Costs will drop by 50% or more and the quality of U.S. Medical care will improve.. All of the above steps are compatible with the ACA. So they can be accomplished with the ACA in place.

LOL

I suspect you and others of your ilk are going to get exactly what they deserve.
 
Quote from piezoe:

Not only should you feel like a broken record, but you are a broken record. You have to buy maternity care for the exact same reason that someone without a prostate has to buy coverage for prostate disease.

I don't like to be impolite but my one bit of advice to you would be to grow up. Your behavior is paralleling that of the nursery school child who would rather break a toy than share it. Your reality is the same as mine. We both have to deal with the ACA. It is statutory law now. If we don't like it we have remedies available. We can seek, through our representatives in Government, to change the law, but at the moment there is zero chance -- let me repeat that in case it hasn't sunk in, ZERO! chance -- of your Odumbocare or my Obamney care being repealed. The earliest that could possibly happen is 2017. So find something constructive to do between now and then.

P.S. You would do yourself a favor by becoming familiar with the requirements that must be met in the various States to qualify for medicaid. Just being indigent does not automatically qualify you. That's what expansion was all about!, viz., bringing all those who are indigent but could NOT previously qualify, under the expanded medicaid tent. And this business of States opting out is aimed at wrecking Obamney care. It is a strategy move that cannot be justified on financial grounds as it is not saving the States that are opting out anything. This slash and burn strategy is one hundred percent ideologically driven. It's a disgrace.

I may be a broken record but I'm not ignorant like you. You have FAILED to answer WHY citizens of the US are being FORCED to buy a PRODUCT that they neither want or need. The only people who voted to pass this are Dumbocrats. Then again, they love to give way freebies to US citizens to "buy" their votes. No INTELLIGENT person would have mandated a one size fits all health insurance policy with 4 different coverages/premiums (platinum, gold, silver & bronze). Healthy people do not want half the crap that is mandatory. It's useless to them. As are many of the requirements for older people. Consumers should have MANY choices, just as they do with any other product they shop for. This is supposed to be a democracy, not a country run by a dictator. Odumbo is just that '' dumb". He has the audacity to say high deductible policies are "lousy". I have pointed out that my current policy would be superior to the crappy policy I'll be stuck with that will cost 180% MORE.

Is there a one size fits all homeowners policy? Is there just a single auto policy we all must purchase? No, we have choices as to the coverages we want based on our individual circumstances and tolerance for risk, which has financial ramifications. I can choose to drop collision or comprehensive if I want. No insurance commissioner tells me what I must purchase. The same should be true with health insurance .. we CHOOSE what fits our needs. If you can't see or comprehend that simple fact then you're worse off than I thought.

As far as Medicaid ... I am VERY familiar with the requirements. So no lecture is needed from you. Virtually all the kids I volunteer with are on Medicaid.

Also, maybe you can explain why families of 4 making over $90,000 per year will get handouts (subsidies) from Odumbo.

Maybe you need to grow up ... we get it that you hate Republicans.
 
Quote from DHOHHI:

As far as Medicaid ... I am VERY familiar with the requirements. So no lecture is needed from you. Virtually all the kids I volunteer with are on Medicaid.
good, I am not that familiar with the requirements Could you explain to me what it means when Blue States on state exchanges are "expanding medicaid'? If it already helps the poor, why would it need to be expanded? If a man gets laid off and loses his coverage, and his unemployment insurance runs out, and he gets sick, does he qualify for Medicaid?
 
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