Its 2000 all over again

guys, shorting a stock and long a stock is technically almost the same. As a stock approaches zero, it's impact on your capital gets smaller, hence you can keep shorting more until it reaches zero.

with long, when it keeps going up, you can't keep adding to your position without spending any money.

when all is said and done, you spend an equal amount of effort (almost).

RECAP:

Again, if you short a stock at $100, and it goes to $50, you can keep adding more or double your short position without adding cash to your account since the required capital to buy it back is much less, hence freeing up capital/cash.

The only difference is, you have to take action. You don't just sit there with your $100/share short and wait til it get to zero. You add to your short position as it gets cheaper but you don't need extra capital. Again, A long position, you can't add to it without having to spend money on your account.

oi vei.
 
Quote from Trader273:
I really dont understand how shorting is any riskier then going long. To me, shorting has the same principles as going long just that you want price to go down rather then up.
Exactly.
Its unbalanced looney stuff to claim that shorting is riskier that going long.

All a successful trader is doing, particularly intraday, is playing the moves both up and down.
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You have no sense of humour, man! Sometimes you need it for not becoming a frustrated trader.

Quote from HolyGrail:

My point is the RISK IS THE SAME. Your point is MEANINGLESS DRIBBLE!!
 
Quote from fickletrader:

I was laughing my ass off when I read that thing from HolyGrail.

Yeah, I think even my left nostril had a reverse compounding effect which almost made me suffocate.
 
Wow... I didn't know shorting could be so difficult and hard. Maybe I should stop shorting and just sit here and wait for the next bull market.

Fickle here's a question - would you agree that markets typically fall much faster than they rise? I would say yes; therefore, shorting provides more opportunities to make money quicker. So, while your scenario assumes identical moves, I would say that the short actually has a much better chance of reaching the profit targets quicker and thereby increasing capital quicker to place more trades.

If you don't believe that, watch the indexes on down days and compare the movement to up days. YES, there are times when it just shoots up, but a good part of the time the up moves take all day and sometimes net out for a couple points; whereas the drops can literally happen in 30 minutes.
 
Sorry but fickletrader is right.
Reverse compounding makes the game assymetrical with respect to volatility related risk managment AND portfolio rebalancing requirements.
 
Quote from vladn:

Sorry but fickletrader is right.
Reverse compounding makes the game assymetrical with respect to volatility related risk managment AND portfolio rebalancing requirements.

Why is a post from someone with 3 posts seem fishy....
 
Quote from myminitrading:

I remember it like it was yesterday, in late 2000 Dell warning out of the clear blue, blamed it on the Euro, then Intel, then many others. I remember all the one day wonders, huge rallys as shorts were squeezed on an Osam Bin Lauden rumor in 2002, or remember this one, the suprise rate cuts by the Fed. The news wires would put out all these predictions from former fed goveners that the fed was going to cut rates and boom 200 point rally in the dow.

Shorting is risky business, and you must always be on your toes. Things seem to be linning up in simular fashon as we move forward. Earnings have been weak and guidance has been weak. looks like thing are rolling over.


Yesterday is today, Dell, Intc. Both give warnings Dell getting creamed.
 

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