Iterative Refinement

03-14-09 09:18 PM
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Quote from ljyoung:

Very nice romanus. I wonder if the crooks that run this shell game have a playbook with a finite number of entries.
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Quote from romanus:

Price/Volume relationship (courtesy of Jack Hershey/ Spydertrader) is like gravity - there's no escaping it.

Markets haven't changed since the days of 'Day-Trading' Rice 1400 years ago.
Ah yes, then it must be that in spite of what they might appear to be doing or think that they are doing, they are bound by the certain reality of P/V space and what appear to be constructions are merely coincidental consequences.

lj
 
Quote from workwithus:

quote from charts: "On the other hand that bar's mode changed to "down" ".could you elaborate on what you mean by that bar's mode changed to "down".on my chart the bar in question was 12:20 but on other chart platforms its 12:25.i have it with a ibgs eob.thanks
... when the bar closes inside previous bar, volume increase means that the bar's mode is "change", volume decrease means "continuation". :) .. 1220 when the charting software stamps the beginning of the bar, 1225 when it stamps its end :)
 
Quote from romanus:

Same here.


Attached is my version.

Roman
Start of day friday. Did you begin fresh or have a sequence you carried over?

I came into the open in a sequence repeat mode, so was looking for drv tape and ibv tape. 10:00 bar looked like repeat again, the 10:15 PV IBGS caused me to change to short but with lack of certainty had to respect both sides. I was not in a live trade but would not have stayed short after the 10:35 bar. The following dec blk gaus and LOC would have put us back on the same track. The multilevels of monitoring in these situations keep one from being on the wrong side for very long. JMHO
 
Quote from ticktrade:

Roman
Start of day friday. Did you begin fresh or have a sequence you carried over?

I came into the open in a sequence repeat mode, so was looking for drv tape and ibv tape. 10:00 bar looked like repeat again, the 10:15 PV IBGS caused me to change to short but with lack of certainty had to respect both sides. I was not in a live trade but would not have stayed short after the 10:35 bar. The following dec blk gaus and LOC would have put us back on the same track. The multilevels of monitoring in these situations keep one from being on the wrong side for very long. JMHO
.. 1015 was end of sequences (Up) started Thursday .. 1035 pt2 of new sequences (Down).
 
Quote from ticktrade:


Start of day friday. Did you begin fresh or have a sequence you carried over?

I haven't figured out yet how to apply the sequence carryover consistently. Theoretically one anticipates the completion of that which hasn't been finished the day before, but anticipating the matter in which the completion may develop is above my pay grade.

Quote from ticktrade:

I came into the open in a sequence repeat mode, so was looking for drv tape and ibv tape. 10:00 bar looked like repeat again, the 10:15 PV IBGS caused me to change to short but with lack of certainty had to respect both sides. I was not in a live trade but would not have stayed short after the 10:35 bar. The following dec blk gaus and LOC would have put us back on the same track. The multilevels of monitoring in these situations keep one from being on the wrong side for very long. JMHO
First three bars of the day are all increasing red, but contained within two opposite tapes. Of all the limited choices we have available, /R is the only one that logically fit. The up tape which follows is clearly B2B. The resulting /R B\/B sequence left me no choice but to call 1015 p2 of 'something' after 1025 breaks the up tape. That 'something' appears to be 5 min ES level traverse, since 1050 is clearly return to dominance after pen BO. Perhaps one should have anticipated the completion of 5 min ES level traverse which began yesterday, but the gaussians would not let me place the completion of yesterday's sequence on 1015 bar.

Going short on a tape break 945 didn't seem like a good idea to me , since I didn't see a 5 min ES level traverse completed the day before. 955 tape break was inside 6.75 pt pennant, which is more than I can stomach. 1025 was clearly beginning a p2 to p3 retrace, which eliminated itself from consideration automatically. And since I don't trade p3's - I passed on 1045 bar as well. So, it was an unusually quiet and uneventful morning for me.:D
 
Quote from ticktrade:

thanks but nope, i saw what you pointed out, causing the reversal back to the right side at 1425. I do not track return to dominance but from my understanding of it. 1435 would have been a return to dominance and 1440 would appear to be jw change. however if one waited for the tape break they would have been rewarded. I'm only trying to find the differences that exist on 5 min es that would make me think I do not have completion and change in that area.

most likely the fact we just had another b2b, 1430-1435 would cause one to see we need to go around again.

there was no r2r from 12:20 - 15:40, 14:20 might looked like it but there was no proper follow thru. Depend on which color scheme you have your color may be diff. Now I know how ewave people feel.
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Quote from romanus:

I haven't figured out yet how to apply the sequence carryover consistently. Theoretically one anticipates the completion of that which hasn't been finished the day before, but anticipating the matter in which the completion may develop is above my pay grade.


IMO, one cannot know how the sequence completion is going to take place with the carryover or at any other time. So it becomes a question of waiting to see it unfold. If there are people who can reproducibly (= every time) know how the sequence completion is going to take place then that's great but I don't think it's a 'tool' that needs to be acquired as part of the method.

lj

Addendum: If what you are saying romanus is that we can leave a sequence incomplete and start a new one (and I don't think that is what you are saying) then clearly that is wrong. Although ehorn and I don't agree on everything we agree on that statement completely. Sometimes the completion may not be easily seen but it has to be there.
 
more scenarios.

If you dont mind. Curious what one sees in this clip to KNOW we don't have seq. repeat. I thought it was very likely the 1010 bar was an SR signal. The following bars made me doubt that and drop fractals.
thanks
 

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