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Iterative Refinement
- Thread starter Spydertrader
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Quote from romanus:
How does one know that the channel is forming at 11:15 ?
I have seen accelerated traverses followed by channel in an opposite direction.
I'm not sure that one does know. Having had a dominant traverse and knowing that traverses make channels, it wouldn't be unreasonable to anticipate a non-dominant traverse and then another dominant traverse to form a channel. It all depends of course where one is in the sequence.
I don't think one can anticipate anything other than another traverse after the first blue accelerated traverse. Here's an example I was referring to in my previous post:Quote from dkm:
Having had a dominant traverse and knowing that traverses make channels, it wouldn't be unreasonable to anticipate a non-dominant traverse and then another dominant traverse to form a channel.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1995057#post1995057
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Quote from romanus:
I don't think one can anticipate anything other than another traverse after the first blue accelerated traverse.
That would suggest that one cannot anticipate channels forming. :eek: Perhaps this is not critical anyway since we are aiming to trade each traverse anyway. It's just useful to know the context of each traverse.
I think one can anticipate a channel forming. After two traverses, dom and non-dom, WMCN is a 2nd dom traverse, which completes a channel. I just don't think one can anticipate a channel forming based on an accelerated traverse.Quote from dkm:
That would suggest that one cannot anticipate channels forming. :eek: Perhaps this is not critical anyway since we are aiming to trade each traverse anyway. It's just useful to know the context of each traverse.
On unrelated note, I 'see' some similarities between yesterday and 07-15-08 in terms of fractal nature of context for change signals.
It seems to me that yesterday signal for change existed for the blue accelerated traverse, but not for the green traverse (which later became a channel).
And IMO on 07-15-08 signal for change exists for an accelerated orange traverse but not for a pink traverse (which never became a channel).
Some strange and fascinating things.
Quote from jack hershey:
Good morning. Weeding break.
I reviewed the past pages 29 through 32 where I have 5 posts per page allotted. Because of my ignores I only saw 4,2,1 and 0 posts per page, respectively. My thanks to those who refrained from replying to these ignored detractors.
Lets start with some Q's that have been coming my way.
The M and W stand for the order of channel legs on typical days. A leg is another name for a channel and a channel is represented by a short straight line sloped long or short.
M is / \ / \ which is four legs that are, respectively a long channel; a short channel; a long channel and lastly, a short channel.
the W is \ / \ / which is four legs that are, respectively a short channel; a long channel; a short channel and, lastly, a long channel.
A beginner trades from FTT to FTT of each channel. So a typical day is enter with the trend of the first leg (channel) do three reversals and exit at the end of the day.
If each channel goes the range of the day, a person profits a multiple of the daily range. Given the fact that this ideal is not played out so simply day after day, skilled traders make a lot more than beginners. That is why a month long boot camp is required. We use toylstoi toilet paper and Stolie clear liquids so relaxing in the evening is transparent.
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So we all get a spectacular present handed to us. February will be fun for sure.
As we started the pm with its break out charts. A breakout chart is a chart that shows just a piece of the pm so a look see can be had. Price is not "breaking out" on each chart.
The most noticable thing as this begins is the way the market is so activated The attached chart follows the midday medium PACE as shwon on the volume only am chart.
The price bars are shown on 5 point scaled ES chart. Anyone and especially beginners in a boot camp looking at several 5 minute bars in excess of 15 points each, must have a combination of sensory and inference to get perception that is at one end of the Richter scale.
Drill seargents at boot camp are beginning to see, on a 2 point scale that a scaling adjustment is going to have to be made.
There is kind of an elation and a OMG combo in having to adjust the display as you trader builds more profits as price drops down off the screen.
As I mentioned more generally before those watching the leading indicators of price who have differentiated minds for that viewing are in a heavenly place. They are watching the blow out phenomena which occurs with OODA oriented CW routines.
Here D means formulate a hypothesis and follow it with a test for A. Does anyone want to test a 15 point 5 minute bar? Yes OODA people do. They inductively bet with D and ENTER with real money as a TEST of the market.
MADA does not work inductively and it only works in a binary way in the Present. WE monitor to get a data set. The data set is analyzed and logged as MODE and remarks. Our D, for Decision corresponds, finite set to finite set, to the Analysis result. C in the MODE means to HOLD as decision because our built minds, differentiated in terms of finite sets and MADA and the three principles that gave rolodex hope, have the inference available at all times that merges with what we sense to give us perception.
we are riding 15 point bars and hiking in the volume mountains with 0 --2 masks on by breathing through our noses and being grateful and appreciative of completed rows after row in our logs as we get closure each and every MADA lap.
Even Jiminy Cricket has his old fashioned neck tie off or loose. this is a real treat for the mind. It is not the netting of 5 to 8 points per bar in the dominant direction; what it is is following a routine that works.
If 20 to 30 minutes of a dominant thrust gives us a great Continue and a very worthwhile hold, what does a non dominant traverse in our channel have to offer the learning beginner?
The mix of money and mind in boot camp gets a work out in such a very high PACED market. We now know what PACE is saying as a volume indicator.
Is VE possible under such high paced conditions? Logs tell us under debriefing.
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Quote from jack hershey:
chart 3 begins to put on the table how the market is going to set up the pm channels.
We get pt2 as a consequnce of having pt 3. But it is also clear that trading the first dominant going from pt1 to the unknown pts, as yet, happens for all levels of trading because our postion in the market is determined by the beginning of the channel overlap as a consequence of the old channel's failure to Continue (See MODE in log).
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