Iterative Refinement

Quote from Spydertrader:

I've thought a bit about the above question, and it appears as if some might confuse, "What must come next?" with an expectation of what the next bar will do in terms of Open, High, Low, Close and Volume. When, in fact, WMCN refers to what the market must show the trader in terms of the sequences which unfold from Point One, to Point Two, to Point Three and beyond - into the channel / traverse.

For example, if the market has created a Lateral Formation moving Price from Point Two to Point Three of a retrace, this Lateral Formation can continue for as many bars as the market sees fit. A trader (again, focused on the 5 minutes ES Traverse level trading fractal) does not use a finer set of tools to trade within the Lateral Formation, nor does a trader predict how the next bar in the series will form.

However, the trader does know what must come next once the market reaches Point Three. In addition, the trader knows (again on the 5 minute ES Traverse Level trading fractal) that every bar within the Lateral Formation represents continuation, and cannot provide a signal for change.

Where most traders err involves a failure to differentiate between the above description, and something not described above. In other words, a trader believes they have compared apples to apples, when the reality is, they have compared apples to automotive parts. For example, today's ES 14:05 [close of] Bar and ES [14:20 [close of] Bar appear to have the exact same signal for change described in the Jokari Window. Yet clearly, the market appears to respond to one signal, while ignoring the other. A trader who fails to see a difference in these two areas (as I have said many times) has missed a critical component of monitoring.

Make no mistake. The market speaks on each and every bar.

- Spydertrader

Thank you VERY VERY much for restating this. I was about to ask what probably would appear to be another dumb question related to exactly this. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I now realize about 99.99% of my "problem". It's that I don't believe that sequences "MUST" play out. I hadn't recognized this, as my disbelief has been supported by the data that my brain "chooses" to see. We can always find evidence to support what we want, and this is godaweful insideous. I may be on my way to doing 500 or 5000 charts, who knows:)
 
Quote from romanus:

The 14:05 [close of] bar in the attached picture is Jokari Window change signal. Is that correct?

Yes. One of two provided by the Jokari Window.

More accurately, the Jokari Window calls for continuation (in the opposite direction of the previous trend) as Price itself shows a decreasing P with Increasing V. In other words, the market has moved from dominant to non-dominant. (in this specific case, from a dominant traverse to a non-dominant traverse).

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from Spydertrader:

LOL.

Now that I look closer, yes, the 14:20 bar closes back inside on my chart.
I got a little bit confused with respect to those two bars you mentioned.
If it's not too much trouble, could you post, whenever it's convenient for you, blank not annotated picture between 13:35 and 14:40 of what bars look like you were referring to.

Thank you.
 
I apologize for removing the question that Spydertrader answered above. I got confused and did not want to litter the thread with my stupid questions. Sorry again.

Here's the picture Spydertrader was referring to when he answered the question I removed:

The 14:05 [close of] bar in the attached picture is Jokari Window change signal. Is that correct?
 

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Quote from romanus:

could you post a blank not annotated picture between 13:35 and 14:40 of what bars look like you were referring to.

Never a problem. I can toggle on and off (hide temporarily) my annotations. See attached - bars under consideration highlighted for educational purposes only.

- Spydertrader

<img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2028163>
 

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Quote from romanus:

Thank you. Again apology for disappearing post and picture you responded to previously.

Two more for you. 14:40 has the market showing what we know as Peak Volume, yet the market continues higher 3 bars later (15:00). How can this be? Did Spydertrader provide an ambiguous or incorrect defintition for Peak Volume? Perhaps, the answer resides in how one monitors the market.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from Spydertrader:

Two more for you. 14:40 has the market showing what we know as Peak Volume, yet the market continues higher 3 bars later (15:00). How can this be? Did Spydertrader provide an ambiguous or incorrect defintition for Peak Volume? Perhaps, the answer resides in how one monitors the market.

- Spydertrader
:D This one's too easy. pt1 to pt2, no pt3 yet - no permission to seek change signal.:D
 
Quote from romanus:

:D This one's too easy. pt1 to pt2, no pt3 yet - no permission to seek change signal.:D

Looks like you just answered both questions now didn't you. :D

- Spydertrader

Edit: The above refers also to the question about which you requested a blank chart.
 
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