Iterative Refinement

[dkm]

Quote from Avi 8:

Yes it did. The next bar opened, went down, and then on a different fractal, went to close higher than the previous bar.

So tell me then, do you want to be long?

What answer did the market give?

Mike,
I really appreciate you trying to point me in the right direction. I seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the jokari window is meant to be interpreted when it comes to intrabar gaussian shifts, different fractals and whether or not it helps in the case of lateral price movement. The principle behind the jokari window is simple enough to understand but I am getting increasingly confused about how and when to apply it.

 

[Mr_Black]

p3

 

[Avi 8]

Quote from dkm:

... I am getting increasingly confused about how and when to apply it.

No problem, try applying it only at the close of bar.

 

[dkm]

That's what I'm trying to do but when an intrabar shift occurs during the current bar the anticipated outcome changes from what I thought would happen when I applied p & v from the previous bar. Perhaps I should not be surprised by that, since an intrabar shift is going to change what the previous bar suggested. So, if I see an intrabar shift, should I ignore the pv from the previous bar?

 

[Mr_Black]

wash

 

[Spydertrader]

Quote from dkm:

So, if I see an intrabar shift, should I ignore the pv from the previous bar?

You already completed the M-A-D-A Loop on the previous bar in an effort to determine whether or not the market provided a signal for change. The market did not. As such, the information obtained from the M-A-D-A Loop, sits in the past. We concern ourselves with the not-too-distant future, and we monitor as the future moves into the present. Once again, in the now this time, Bar six either does or does not provide a signal for change. You have focused on whether or not the signal from Bar Five accurately portrayed what occurred on Bar Six. This isn't the correct focus.

- Spydertrader

 

[dkm]

09:45 P up, V down, expect P down on 09:50 bar
09:50 P down as expected.

10:00 P up, V up, expect P up on 10:05 bar
10:05 P up as expected

10:20 P goes down but closes up, V up, expect P up on 10:25 bar
10:25 goes down.....

10:25 P down, V up, expect P down on 10:30 bar
10:30 P up as expected

10:30 P up, V up, expect P up on 10:35 bar
10:35 P goes down....

Am I interpreting jokari too literally?

 

[dkm]

Quote from Spydertrader:

This isn't the correct focus.

- Spydertrader

I think this is an "aha"..........

 

[nkhoi]

Quote from dkm:

I think this is an "aha"..........

if you have to 'think' then it's a maybe.

 

[dkm]

hmmm..... perhaps not