Iterative Refinement

Now Im playing that game again but this time the question is why isnt the FTT on the 7-22 chart an FTT of the blue up traverse. Ive tried finding answers such as(its a flat top pennant ) but right before it there is a flat bottom pennant in a pink traverse that is labeled as an FTT. It sends me down roads that seem not to end.

I feel like every situation will lead me to a spot where a similar situation occurs and there is a different answer that will send me down another gopher hole if thats the right term.
 
snatched it somewhere... worth a reread.

Can you explain with visual example what R2B and B2R and gaussian means. I've tried reading up on it previously (based on the old posts from Jack Herhsey) but could not fully understand it


Quote from makosgu:

For a while I didn't understand the concept until I realized PV and also had to relax a bit as far as observing is concerned. So with channels, you see that the channel is the geometric context for where price is operating. The Volume is the gas pedal so to speak of price operating within the container. In a channel you will see price bounce from one side to the other until it stops. When you look at volume you will see that in one particular direction of the bounce from one side of the channel to the opposite side, each consecutive volume bar will be more or less larger than the previous bar. On the bounce back, the volume bars will have a general decreasing progression. You will have to look somewhat loosely because as you will notice, the migration from one side to the other is riddled with stalled/inside bars. They are easy to pick off because you will see that the volume does not follow the progression and additionally the price bar will not extend beyond either side of the previous price bar.

The framework of the gaussians is that every channel has the dominant where the progression of sequentially increasing volume bars denote the dominant direction of the channel. The sequentially decreasing volume bars are the retrace. Thus a R2B means INCREASING RED VOLUME bars followed by DECREASING BLACK VOLUME BARS. A B2R is INCREASING BLACK VOLUME bars followed by DECREASING RED VOLUME bars. A LONG channel is a repeating sequential series of B2Rs whereas a SHORT channel is a repeating sequential series of R2Bs. The transition between a SHORT and LONG channel is immediately picked off by B2B where you have DECREASING BLACK VOLUME bars followed by INCREASING BLACK VOLUME bars or an R2R where you have DECREASING RED VOLUME bars followed by INCREASING RED VOLUME bars...

Kind Regards,
MAK!
 
Quote from LittleMac:

Now Im playing that game again but this time the question is why isnt the FTT on the 7-22 chart an FTT of the blue up traverse. Ive tried finding answers such as(its a flat top pennant ) but right before it there is a flat bottom pennant in a pink traverse that is labeled as an FTT. It sends me down roads that seem not to end.

I feel like every situation will lead me to a spot where a similar situation occurs and there is a different answer that will send me down another gopher hole if thats the right term.

Not sure where you are referring to. I count 4 blue up traverses. 3 of which are preceded by pink down traverses.

Perhaps a clarification of time would help.

Also, provide a link to the chart you are referring to. Makes it easier to make sure everyone is working off the same chart.

I assume you are referring to the following chart
 
Quote from bi9foot:

Not sure where you are referring to. I count 4 blue up traverses. 3 of which are preceded by pink traverses.

Perhaps a clarification of time would help.

Also, provide a link to the chart you are referring to. Makes it easier to make sure everyone is working off the same chart.

I assume you are referring to the following chart

Yes thats the correct chart. The second traverse of the day is a pink traverse and the traverse ends with an FTT that is also the forming of a Flat Bottom Pennant at the 10:50 and 10:55 bars. Then we have directly after it a blue pt 3 traverse that ends with a flat top pennant that is not labeled as an FTT specifically the 11:25 and 11:30 bars.

My other question had to do with comparing charts from 7-22 and 7-23 where in one after the 11:25 and 11:30 FTP and BO of that traverse had in my opinion identical movements to the 2:35 BO of an up traverse on the 7-23 chart. One became a new traverse, the other didnt.
 
Quote from LittleMac:

Now Im playing that game again but this time the question is why isnt the FTT on the 7-22 chart an FTT of the blue up traverse.

I suggest you review my answer to Jander.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from Spydertrader:

I suggest you review my answer to Jander.

- Spydertrader

I understand the question Jander proposed and the specific examples of what you are doing that he is referring too. Yet I can not see a pattern on the chart that tells you a traverse will be fanned(therefore no FTT occurs)without subsequent bars. The attachment I have is a great example as there are multiple traverses without FTTs annotated that are fanned.

Please steer me to a clue of how you see this on the spot as it might answer all three of my questions from
the past several days.

Should also mention this no FTT annotation includes traverses that are fanned out using the original pt 1 and a new pt 3
 

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Quote from Jander:


Spyder..

I noticed that you dont annotate ftt's of traverses that end up being fanned (pt3 recycled for new pt1). Is this something you delete later, or that you recognize that the ftt will lead to a fanned channel in realtime?

Attached example of spyder's chart showing FTT annotated for orange traverse and FTT of fanned maroon traverse.
 

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Quote from ljyoung:


I noticed that I overextended the LTL's of the second and fourth 'traverse-channels'. Clearly when the new leg of the second up traverse puts in a higher high (lower low) which is greater (less) than the point 2 of the 'traverse-channel' we have a 'new' channel. I find it useful to keep the blue trendlines for the initial 'traverse-channel' (I believe Spyder either called it a 'mini-1,2,3 channel' or tolerated it being called that by somebody else). Apologies for any confusion.

lj

My wife is a clinical bioethicist and is always whacking on me in respect of being as clear possible when presenting a point. So then, the point above should be modified to say "... than the point 2 or the highest high/lowest low of the 'traverse-channel'...". More apologies and yes I do hear a scold saying, 'You should be more careful when you write' but if I did that, then it would probably take me as long to write a note like this as it did to get to the point of being able to write it.

lj
 
Quote from Spydertrader:


Congrats, you just located one of those subtle differences I often harp on about. :)

- Spydertrader

Thanks for the hint .. and the next quest begins!
 
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