Iterative Refinement

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Now that wasn't so hard was it?
Well, you didn't show your entire blotter or the p/l portion but ok, its a trade. Unless you only made 1 trade today. Anyway, hopefully you'll take me up on my everyday for a week offer. I don't care if you show losses, thats not the point. Don't be worried that you'll be bashed if you show losses 1 or 2 or 10 days in a row.


Even though nobody will say so, most everybody, I'm sure, appreciates seeing the actual trade.

You learn theory in school and then you want to see the theory applied to real world conditions. Thats were the trade details come into play!

I feel like I'm on an island all alone in my quest for more trade details on a daily basis (proof of consistency) from those that know what they're doing. Does anybody owe me anything? Certainly not, but what the heck, so much time is spent posting why not post whats really important. Moolah! Real world trades to solidify the theory. Jack talks about CASH all the time.

I'm not one of those trolls that post thousands of hershey bashing threads. I'm just looking for the honey so to speak.

If you look at the trader p/l thread you'll see stand up guys like lescor who posted on a daily basis for months to show people that yes trading is possible (of course he didn't tell us his system like spyder is).

Didn't spyder ask Mr_black to explain his trades in a previous post? So is the
teacher the bad guy just like me?


If I were profitable on a daily basis or semi daily basis I would be proud and more than happy to post my details to show the hundreds watching yes it can be done and here is the proof so you might learn something.

If nobody here is consistently profitable and is still in the learning phase then JUST SAY SO! Its OK.

Edit: I'm not going to ask anymore. If traders want to post blotters great. If not, dont. Good night and good bye.
 
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So why am I the bad guy for asking for it here?
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Because after spending the time to type up several paragraphs telling the world how right you are in your thinking, providing sentence after sentence of rationalization, you still haven't found the time in your hectic schedule to apologize for your comments to Mr. Black. From my vantage point, such behavior tells me all I need to know. Since you remain supremely confident that numerous others would agree with your demands to see proof, I hope one of them can assist you with any questions you might have imoving forward because I currently have no plans to respond to your requests for comment now or anytime in the future.

- Spydertrader
 
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Now that wasn't so hard was it?
Well, you didn't show your entire blotter or the p/l portion but ok, its a trade. Unless you only made 1 trade today. Anyway, hopefully you'll take me up on my everyday for a week offer. I don't care if you show losses, thats not the point. Don't be worried that you'll be bashed if you show losses 1 or 2 or 10 days in a row.


Even though nobody will say so, most everybody, I'm sure, appreciates seeing the actual trade.

You learn theory in school and then you want to see the theory applied to real world conditions. Thats were the trade details come into play!

I feel like I'm on an island all alone in my quest for more trade details on a daily basis (proof of consistency) from those that know what they're doing. Does anybody owe me anything? Certainly not, but what the heck, so much time is spent posting why not post whats really important. Moolah! Real world trades to solidify the theory. Jack talks about CASH all the time.

I'm not one of those trolls that post thousands of hershey bashing threads. I'm just looking for the honey so to speak.

If you look at the trader p/l thread you'll see stand up guys like lescor who posted on a daily basis for months to show people that yes trading is possible (of course he didn't tell us his system like spyder is). So why am I the bad guy for asking for it here?

If I were profitable on a daily basis or semi daily basis I would be proud and more than happy to post my details to show the hundreds watching yes it can be done and here is the proof so you might learn something.

If nobody here is consistently profitable and is still in the learning phase then JUST SAY SO! Its OK.
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1. everybody is always in the learning phase. doesn't matter your pnl
2. You would not be happy to post your details because you would value all the effort and work too much to piss your time away on a message board posting your blotter. You might do as spyder and jack have done and post the meat of your method, but not blotters and such.
3. At one time I think we've all felt as you have about seeing the pnl's whether we said so or not. the truth is that your pnl is not what you should be looking at. Nor is anyone else's pnl what you should be looking at. What you should be looking at is how do you synthesize in your own brain what is going on in the chart within the context of channels and within the Price/volume paradigm. That's all.
focusing on blotters is misdirection, either self induced or outside influenced.
focusing on your pnl during the trading day is the self-same thing and principal.

I speak of what I know because I have done it in the past.

by the way, asking someone to post their trades everyday for a week will prove only 1 thing for sure. The skill of that individual. It does not prove or disprove a system of thought.

Your desire to be shown must be transformed into a desire to show yourself. period. Prove to yourself that it either works or doesn't work for you.
 
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Welcome to the discussion.

1. You may want to alter your chart settings a bit to mirror the convention used by most people contributing to the thread. Black for Up Red for Down.

2. Worry less about the 'tools' at this point in time focusing instead on correctly and thoroughly annotating a chart. You want to annotate all trendlines making sure that Volume confirms the chanel direction.

3. Monitor Price and Volume throughout each bar paying special attention to the 'context' of how Price moves between Points 1,2,3 and beyond.

4. Note how changes in PRV also effect changes in Price.

5. Your journey begins with some very important steps. paramount to these is monitoring the market. In this stage of learning, you practice chart annotation until you have the skill down cold.

6. The answers to many of your questions will reveal themselves as you continue to read through last year's journal.

Good Journey to you.

- Spydertrader
 
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Speaking of which, how are things since the lightening bolt split your head? :D

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pretty good, I've started live trading again about a month ago after proving to myself on paper that I knew what I was seeing/doing. been having slow and steady gains since then.

nothing spectacular yet but I know that I know what I know. And I know how to do it.

I'm not trading rockets and I'm not trading FTT's. I guess you could say my trading is similar to easyrider's...entering on the rtl, exit on the left, repeat.


The only thing I dislike about trading is how much of a solo endevour it is. I am an introvert but like to have human contact in my work... so this has placed something of a psychological block to how quickly I'm advancing. (I've discovered this about myself after having gone through the 'what color is your parachute' workbook).

thanks for asking.
 
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Pretty much the same story here, thankfully my wife works at the desk next to mine. :D
 
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