Iterative Refinement

Quote from Avi 8:

Notice the high and low of the previous bar, is that an even harmonic? What do we do when an even harmonic presents itself?

I have decreasing black volume on my data feed, so I do not have a pt3 on that bar.

Notice what follows, a high volatility stall, with a 'toothpick' bar saying, 'Its done!'.

Very interesting today, because the 5min bars framed to the tick chart pretty well today, causing visualbar harmonics.

Pretty cool:)

edit: "and it was surely done!!" That was like the anti-climax watching those formations on the tick charts!

First 2 trading hours price was centering, to break out of Long termpennant. Very beautiful to watch. Monthly-Weekly-daily-hour-30-5-1 tick, just unreal
 
Quote from romanus:
Hi tobbe. I can't locate increasing black volume following pt3 in a channel you have drawn -- see attachment. Am I missing something? Just curious why did you see it as a valid channel. Thanks.
You're right, it is not a valid channel. I left the blue channel in place even after I redrew the gaussians to fit the down fuchsia channel. Up until the blue pt3 I was anticipating an up channel since there could have been a B2B at 10:50 (bar 16). To avoid confusion I left a note on the chart :) . Maybe I should change my habit of doing things this way when I post the charts.

Thank you for looking, and sorry for the confusion :) .
 
Quote from tobbe:

Chart for today. Home sales didn't really add much to the action apart from an 'outside' volume bar. Personally I found the 13:00 - 14:30 area(-ish) confusing. Finally I removed all micro level gaussians and settled for one big wide black line.

I would very much appreciate any advice on how to annotate the gaussians of that area properly, as well as on how to look at the 'outside' volume bar (number 7).

Compare both channels and Gaussians. Hope it helps.
 

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Quote from Mr_Black:

i am not going to post my p/l from this point .... this cause only confusion ...and misunderstanding... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Sorry, didn't mean to cause any trouble for you with that Q. At the time I was wondering if it was a higher fractal trade based on the numbers I saw. But hey, if you cause a ruckus with your blotter then you gotta be on the right track. :)
 
Quote from LostTrader:
You can look at my chart in that area if it would help -- my channels are slightly different than yours.
Quote from guavaman:
Compare both channels and Gaussians. Hope it helps.
Thank you, I'll print both your charts and ponder this for a while.
cheers, tobbe
 
10:00am - Ok, so far this morning has been active
GAIA
Sold for a loss. I need to go back and review what went wrong with this trade.

DBTK
It looked like it was going to go somewhere this morning. it was in DU again, and I had held it over from yesterday due to the fact that there was increasing volume and price. However, the volume has stopped and the price is deteriorating. I sold for a slight gain.

JRJC
It's retreating this morning, but it has not hit my 4% trailing stop yet.

ZUMZ
Purchased this when it reached DU levels. Stoch and MACD line up. Volume is increasing and so is price

SSRX
Purchased this when it hit DU. Again, all indicators are positive.

LDK
Purchased this one a little early. There was a ton of volume on it, and still is. However, it had gapped up slightly and I caught it halfways down the gap fill. It had started to move up temporarily before coming back down. It had been at 1/2 DU at about 9:45, so I thought this might be a good one to catch early. we'll see how this one turns out. It is down for me right now.

10:30
LDK
Still going nuts on volume. Holding on to this ride for now. The stock is bouncing around the even mark. Hopefully this may be like EXM last week.

JRJC
Sold The stock for a nice gain. I was hoping for more, but the volume just does not seem to be there.

RIO
I had this stock down for FTT or breakout on the daily chart. I bought it as volume is accelerating, almost at DU, and the stock is up despite the market dragging it down. I'll keep a short leash on this one (it is at the top of the channel).

DBTK
Just a note. It continues to decelerate and deteriorate. Glad I sold it.

GAIA
Of Course, This stock is now up. I totally messed up this trade for a large loss. I really need to sit down and see where I went wrong.

11:45
LDK
Ugh. Stopped out for a hefty loss.

4:00
Ok. I held on for a wild ride today. At one point all of my positions were down. I think today was a lesson, however, in how the Hershey long method is useful, even on down days. The stocks I held recovered nicely throughout the afternoon after the big drops late this morning. I exited out of RIO almost breaking even. SSRX and ZUMZ both reached FRV and were positive by the end of the day. Almost everything else on my daily watchlist was down. So though today ended up as a net loss, if I had not made that one bad trade (LDK, because it had gapped up and I did not wait long enough to establish that there was an up pattern), I would have ended up slightly in the positive, which for such a down day, would have been great (for me, as a beginner, at least.) The method today may not have netted me big gains, but, minus that stupid trade, exposed the strongest long stocks on an otherwise weak day.

JF
 
Thanks for reviewing my chart yesterday, Spydertrader. I had an aha moment when I saw your added channels. At some point I started treating the afternoon almost as a separate day whenever I saw a large amount of lateral movement as we saw yesterday. I don't think I was even fully conscious that I was doing this. I realize that midday lateral movement is simply a lateral non-dominant traverse on a slower fractal, but for whatever reason I was not comfortable creating a channel where Pt 1 and Pt 3 were on opposite sides of this lateral movement. I appreciate your helping me get rid of this baggage.

Attached is today's chart along with a few questions for Spydertrader or other interested parties:
 

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1. With respect to your 'carryover' channel question, let the market tell you where to place your channels. While I often start the day with 'carryover' chanels (either with both points one and three on the previous day or only one of the two points faling on the previous day), my goal is to locate a Point Three Channel on the current day - in order to understand the current context.

2. Adding additional 'Forest Level' Channels often can provide clarity where confusion once existed. Note how 'tapes' create traverses, which in turn, create channels.

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3. In order to 'see' what gaussians best fit the current channel, learn to understand how Price moves through the sequences from Point One to Point Two to Point Three. In such a fashion how to annotate Gaussians becomes much clearer. If it helps, think in terms of Dominant and Non-Dominant. I don't ever split the color of decreasing Volume.

4. Learn to 'think' in terms of Price movement, instead of, Default Charting Software Coloration.

- Spydertrader
 

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