Iterative Refinement

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*Skill improvement drill # 1.4


Hi Padawan, I was revewing the drills and noticed you had asked why I reversed long in drill 3.

We know that volume leads price. We also know the importance of proper and thorough annotations (thanks Spyder, et al, for beating that one into my head :) ). Now when we monitor and annotate properly, the Gaussians tell us alot about what is going on (and what is coming too), specifically with regard to continue and change. They show us that there are 2 moments where "hold" is NOT the trade. These 2 points (or windows) represent an opportunity to bank profits and stay on the right side of the market.

So in drill 3 I did my part:

M - I do my housekeeping
A - I perceived DU level volume occuring on the YM (a trough on the gaussian of our leading indicator)
D - I see change, a trough forming in a gaussian on the YM (1 of the 2 points)
A - Hit "T"

Now that I have performed the sweep, I just keep doing the sweeps and look for the market to confirm or deny the analysis as the future moves into the now. If the market says no, you were wrong, I wash (or reverse) and continue on from there. But if the market says you are right... Cool, you were able to front-run and bank a few more profits!

I can hardly wait to see the next drill (or the next bar in RTH for that matter) to see if the market liked my analysis or not :)

This is really fun stuff!
 

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Quote from Haroki:

STAR - a 30 minute chart predicted the decline today, the last 3 bars were increasing red, preceeded by 2 crappy, low volume black bars. I think I read that you leave before end of the day? Might want to think of putting on a trailing stop when you leave......

I disagree about SKX. 3 days of dec black as it goes through the down RTL and approaches the up LTL. I'd look for it to stay above the down RTL, but go through a little retrace first. THEN let 'er rip.....

My bars are never the same color as everyone else. Do you mean on the 4/2 thirty min chart at end of day for STAR?

I agree on the SKX move too considering the decreasing volume is still greater than any three days of volume we've seen in a while as well as the fact that the thirty minute is showing BO's like of the pink channel which you've mentioned.
 
Quote from Ezzy:

You really need to review a bunch of past charts to decide/see for yourself. A couple of us went back 2 years. For this particular day there was morning news so the low volume off the open was expected. - EZ

Thank you very much. Makes total sense.
 
Haroki, according to my analysis. I should'nt be holding on to my Long in SFLY much longer either as the last three bars today(30 min) show increased red and the daily seems to show a new steeper down channel forming (light pink). Is Increased red tomorrow morning in your opinion a good indicator to bail on this one or reverse possibly?
 

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Quote from ehorn:

Hi Padawan, I was revewing the drills and noticed you had asked why I reversed long in drill 3.

We know that volume leads price. We also know the importance of proper and thorough annotations (thanks Spyder, et al, for beating that one into my head :) ). Now when we monitor and annotate properly, the Gaussians tell us alot about what is going on (and what is coming too), specifically with regard to continue and change. They show us that there are 2 moments where "hold" is NOT the trade. These 2 points (or windows) represent an opportunity to bank profits and stay on the right side of the market.

So in drill 3 I did my part:

M - I do my housekeeping
A - I perceived DU level volume occuring on the YM (a trough on the gaussian of our leading indicator)
D - I see change, a trough forming in a gaussian on the YM (1 of the 2 points)
A - Hit "T"

Now that I have performed the sweep, I just keep doing the sweeps and look for the market to confirm or deny the analysis as the future moves into the now. If the market says no, you were wrong, I wash (or reverse) and continue on from there. But if the market says you are right... Cool, you were able to front-run and bank a few more profits!

I can hardly wait to see the next drill (or the next bar in RTH for that matter) to see if the market liked my analysis or not :)

This is really fun stuff!

Hi ehorn. What an excellent and detailed response. Many thanks. :D You pointed out at least two things that I just wasn’t “getting.” First, SCT involves banking profits at points of change regardless of where we are in the sequence of the trend. For example, in the drill right now we’re at both a potential point two down as well as a potential forest point three up, but what’s most important is staying on the right side of the market when we see change. Because the context did not suggest a potential forest pt 3 up in the earlier portions of the drill, it made sense to hold through any possible retracement on decreasing black volume. But, when the context changed to include a potential forest point three up, the answer to what must come next also changed (thx, Spyder). Is that the way it goes? Secondly, and this is probably so obvious to many, I had to smack myself on the forehead three times because I was not paying close enough attention to troughs on the YM when, in fact, YM troughs are very important. The DU volume preceding movement in price on YM is just like what we read about in those wonderful equities journals.

This drill is certainly a lot of fun and informative. You guys/gals are amazing for sharing so much.

Ehorn, one follow-up question if you don’t mind. You decided to reverse long and then the subsequent ES bar broke the low of the bar you entered on. I’m trying to clear my mind of bad assumptions about how to handle entries, and maybe others here are, too. Did you decide to hold long because that downward movement occurred on decreasing volume rather than increasing volume? It looked like for a little bit that the PRV showed increasing volume on the ES and YM, but then both shifted to “decelerating” PRV… or is there more to it than that? I know we’re not using the fine tools, so the entries aren’t going to be nearly as precise, but that further down movement would’ve been alarming when maybe it shouldn’t be.
 
Hold (Long): decreasing Black volume; closing was back inside previous bar => Lateral Movement (wide bar); watch for increasing Red PRV to confirm a possible FTT.
Quote from TIKITRADER:

ES Daily Chart April 2 2008.

Daily ES bar made a HH and a HL today on lower volume and reduced volatility.
 
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