Iterative Refinement

Quote from TIKITRADER:

Charting the daily bars for a few months now at a greater level than I had in the past has revealed some things.

I hope this can help some to see things come together, and also look for weeks and months to come and see if you notice anything to add.

I have realized the daily chart helps me to avoid trading some days that I find hard to trade.
The hardest day of all is the narrow range high bar overlap days.

I started to notice a pattern on the daily that shows a day like that MAY have a greater chance of appearing.
I then take caution to the day as entering trades or even trading.

Other days show that higher intraday volatility will be a greater chance of happening. That in advance prepares me for intraday bars of greater volatility per bar and understanding how I may have to be prepared for those trades.

I have attached a daily chart explaining what I have noticed over the months.

This is just something I have seen and can share so that others may take notice over months to come and see if there is something to gain.


In No way is this a rule to follow because anything can happen at any time. Just a personal observation to share.

Something I've noticed. ES volume can be in the sweet spot - 15k/bar and above - and still have this high overlap that I also try to avoid.

From casual observation, I've found that when YM volume is averaging below 600/bar, this intrabar volatility is much more prevalent. I put a 10 period SMA on YM volume to aid here.
 
Quote from Haroki:

Yeah, it's one of the old guard that goes through amazing gains occasionally. Like GROW did back in the day.

I got in yesterday at 10:20, sold today at 12.65.

It's already gone through a 30-35% gain in 3 days, and had extreme volume today, so I don't think I'd go buying right now. I'll be waiting for a pull back before I look at it again.

Well, today would have been a good day to start looking at SOLF again, but it gapped up 12%, so I think I'll pass for now.

Besides, I also got into JASO on the same day as SOLF and it's up nicely. :D
 
Quote from Padawan:

Great question and answer. I also had trouble there.

Here's my answer to the exercise, though it's best not to look until after checking your chart if you had trouble in that spot. Hope ours compare favorably. This reminded me of 14:20/14:25ish area last Thursday (03-20).

Hi all,

I've attached my charts (ES,YM) to address the signals of change prior to the r2R Gaussian.

1120 ES begins the Traverse from RTL to LTL after forming a Point 3 in the dark blue Channel. (Enter)

1125 Increasing Black Volume and the LTL VE(Continuation).

1130 Decreasing black Volume on ES bar with smaller price range as Price struggles to improve. Context is flagging wildly for an anticipated change. 1. ES LTL is where the traverse is anticipated to end. 2. ES Decreasing Volume in P/V relationship.
Change signal comes on the YM bar at 1130 where volume as the peak volume bar 4 bars back with 1/4 of the volatility. Change Signal. (See black arrows on YM). Another one on YM 1134 where price bounces off the LTL on decreasing black volume.

1135-1140 ES retrace with r2R.

1145 - The BO of the SYP on YM on decreasing volume is a problem for me in this context. I remembered Spyder mentioned in the chatroom last month that a bar with small volume and large volatility represents a thin market and thus, a relevant change signal.

So, if you went long here, and YM volume dries up halfway through this bar and the BO fails, What would you do? ohoh. :confused:

1. Wash and sideline, since the rationale for entry evaporated? Wait for next signal.

2. Or reverse short to remain on the right side of the market since the signal evaporated? Then reverse long again on increasing black.

2. Hold long and wait to see increasing black volume on the next bars? Reverse short on increasing red.

I find this moment of uncertainty to be discomforting as it leads to overtrading and possible whipsaw while the market sits quiet and makes up it's mind on the few possibilies that exist.

Am I missing something?

Comments appreciated!
 

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I got short ARGN today around 16.10 when it gave a signal. It looks real good with heavy volume and the daily looks great but as I start to see a pull back on the 30 and see losses is again where I get itchy to pull out. The first day is tough for me usually.

If SKX shows anything but increasing red today on the daily, Ill likely pull out.

Comments appreciated.
 

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Sorry for wasting my time ...
Quote from Haroki:

All of this is correct. However, your answer is wrong.

The correct answer is....eventual removal from the Final Universe. LOL...
 
Quote from MarvelStone:

Am I missing something?

See attached. Try looking at the YM on a faster fractal (for educational purposes only) in order to 'see' how Price moves (green arrows) through this portion of a channel. Note how Price begins to retrace on Bar 1 of the Pennant [and continues into Bar 2] only to make another run at the LTL on Bar 2 of the pennant. When one notices Price Fails to reach a Left Trend Line, what does one think? What would we expect the market to do next? What did the market do?

Always ask yourself the question, "Can I 'see' anything different about what the market has shown me?"

This specific example of a Pennant differs from other examples by the context, and when the context changes, the answer to the question, "What must come next?" also changes.

- Spydertrader

<img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1856628>
 

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Quote from cnms2:

Sorry for wasting my time ...

No need to feel such.

Haroki pointed out the correct nature of your analysis providing credit as due. He simply injected a bit of Humor at the end of his post (noted by the use of internationally recognized 'LOL' at post's end).

Clearly, we all can use a bit of levity now and then.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from cnms2:

Sorry for wasting my time ...

Oh!! Sorry you took it that way. And sorry for posting this last night after 1 (or 2) too many Glenfiddich.

But on a serious note, a well thought out and written post to an unusual situation is never a waste, in my opinion.
 
Quote from Spydertrader:

When one notices Price Fails to reach a Left Trend Line, what does one think? What would we expect the market to do next? What did the market do?

The FTT, followed by, the retrace on decreasing black volume to the YM RTL, followed by, a dominant traverse on increasing black volume.

The market did just that.

Woah. Lesson learnt. I JUST failed to think of the above sequences as I lost the context to view the market action during that time. Without the correct context, my monitoring and anticipation broke down and any decision made would have been ill-informed.

Spyder, thanks a lot. :D
Totally cleared up my confusion with a picture :cool:
 
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