Iterative Refinement

Quote from TraderD72:

What lead you to believe this? I do not see a difference in the exercise Tums provided (proir to your modification) and the first 5 bars from 11-15-07. In both cases price moved in the DOM direction on +PRV only to close back within the previous bar.

Then I encourage you to look closer. The example Tums provided had but a single channel. The chart of mine you referenced had a Point Three Up channel form within a Point Three Down Channel. See attached.

Single Channel:

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Competing Channels:

<img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1822070>

Quote from TraderD72:

I reference a single bar because that is the Bar I personally would have had to make a decision to take action on or not. At sometime during Bar 5 one would have to make a decision if we had (by definition) a Point 3 or not without any input from Bar 6.


And I referenced two bars in response to question posted with respect to "moving a Point Three" and not "deciding to enter a long trade." In other words, a question about moving or 'fanning' a trend line is quite different than determining when to enter a trade. As to the latter, when what must come next doesn't, we expect the trend to change. Soooooooo, if you enter long on increasing black PRV, and on the next bar, you see decreasing Black Volume, what does one believe will happen next? Change. Since we have change prior to either a Volatility Expansion and / or a Flaw, and since we (more often than not) need a VE or Flaw before we start to think 'FTT' then what we must have before us is either Price continuing to move laterally (examples, Pennant, Lateral Formation, Lateral Channel, Lateral Movement) or an FTT. Since we already eliminated FTT (due to no VE or Flaw) that leaves Pennant, Lateral Formation, Lateral Channel or Lateral Movement. We don't have a Pennant. We don't have a Lateral Channel. We don't have a Lateral Formation. What does that leave? Lateral Movement. What do we 'see' from Volume from Lateral Movement in an Up Channel? Decreasing Black Volume. What did we 'see' again on Bar #6? Decreasing Black Volume.

So we either have an FTT (and we have shown why we don't 'think' this first), or we have Lateral Movement. And if we have Lateral Movement, then Price hasn't finished moving from Point Two to Point Three.

As such, we will then need to move the RTL.

Quote from TraderD72:

This would be more critical for those entering the market at Point 3's then to those already in the market for whatever reason.

What I posted above speaks to the need for everyone to have a rock solid foundation with respect to the fundamentals. Knowing what must come next in order for the market to validate or invalidate the right side of the market remains the same for all traders. When the market delivers neither signal, one waits (hold if in the market, do nothing if sidelined).

Quote from TraderD72:

If one was already in the market and viewed Bar 5 as starting the "lateral movement" the action for most is to "hold" (no action).

One should have entered long prior to the analysis of continuing Lateral Price movement as the Close of the bar occured well beyond the point in time where Price began to rise on increasing black PRV.

Quote from TraderD72:

Please dont take the above questions/comments as confrontational. It is out of a sincere willingness to learn that I continue to seek clarity.

I have no problems with questions such as these. However, make sure, you apply the answer to the correct question. The original question (as I understood it) asked about moving a Point Three, and not, about entering a trade. If I misunderstood the original (November) Question, then I apologize for the confusion.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from Tums:
March Exercise (part 2)
WMCN -- Now What !?


Quote from Breakeven:
I see two possibilities.


Quote from Avi 8:
Remember, there are always FOUR possibilities, at least two of which always go in your favor.


Quote from Breakeven:
...What are the other two possibilities?


Quote from Avi 8:
How about all 4.


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Avi 8: Thanks for encyclopedic diagrams.

TO all the students of Coninuation/Change:
If you have not noticed, Avi 8 has given the store away.
If you have not paused and spent at least 10 mins in studying these diagrams, I urge you to do so now.

To some, there are inconsequential subtle differences between the diagrams. To others, there are blaring sirens with whistles and bells.

Seek and ye shall find.
 
Someone sent me a PM...

"Another exercise? When are we going to start making some money?"

I would say: "Starting today."

;-)
 
March Exercise (Part 3)

WMCN... If it is this, then it is that...

another way to say "What isn't it?"

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Quote from Tums:

March Exercise (Part 3)


This is my take on how the volume might look.

If it is close I will annotate and show where not to take trades (ie. where I would have taken trades) :)

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Quote from Avi 8:

How about all 4.

how about 4 more combinations?
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Quote from R/R:

how about 4 more combinations?

You don't have four additional combinations here. You posted four more of the same previous combinations. See attached.

- Spydertrader

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