Iterative Refinement

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Im having trouble figuring out the Guassians and chart for ANW and i really feel like its ready to break. Is what I have a correct chart and is there an FTT of the pink down channel.

Does the Pink Down Channel show increasing Volume after the Point Three? if not, you answered your own question.

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One other question I haveis for an FTT to occur on the Daily chart, do a Pt 1,2, and 3 need to be in place first. I understand that when you go to a finer fractal(60 min or 30 min) FTTs take place there too and might be inside of individual traverses of the daily but in terms of each respective chart.... does a Pt 1, 2 and 3 have to be in place before an FTT occurs??

Without Points One, Two and Three, one does not have a channel. Without a channel, one cannot have a Failure To Traverse of a channel.

- Spydertrader
 
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Does the Pink Down Channel show increasing Volume after the Point Three? if not, you answered your own question.


What i would consider to be th bar that led to an FTT and the corresponding Guassian, I have circled. After this bar, there was a decreasing black bar followed by today which was increasing black(typical of a B2B break out after an FTT). So my analysis tells me yes there was an FTT of the pink down channel which probably could be seen much more clearly on a more concentrated fractal. But then again, my Guassians are always what keeps me unsure as well as my inability to spot flaws and formations just yet. Some questions that arise immediately with every channle I draw....Are my pts 1, 2, and 3 correct. Do errors in my Guassians invalidate anything within my channel or spotting of the FTT??
 

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Quote from LittleMac:

What i would consider to be th bar that led to an FTT and the corresponding Guassian, I have circled. After this bar, there was a decreasing black bar followed by today which was increasing black(typical of a B2B break out after an FTT).

You have drawn in a Pink Down channel. What color of increasing Volume needs to materialize after a Point Three in a Down channel? You appear to be suggesting that increasing Black Volume follows a Point Three Down. Does this make sense to you?

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So my analysis tells me yes there was an FTT of the pink down channel which probably could be seen much more clearly on a more concentrated fractal.

Again, do you have increasing Volume after your Point Three in your Pink Down Channel? If not, then you don't have a down channel, and if you have no channel, you cannot have an FTT.

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But then again, my Guassians are always what keeps me unsure as well as my inability to spot flaws and formations just yet.

I encourage you to review the Futures Journal where we discussed Gaussians in great detail. In addition, the same sequences of Price and Volume which apply to Futures Trading also apply to Equities. I've made several recent posts which address the sequences of Price and Volume. I encourage you to review these posts as well.

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Some questions that arise immediately with every channle I draw....Are my pts 1, 2, and 3 correct. Do errors in my Guassians invalidate anything within my channel or spotting of the FTT??

One must have the ability to correctly annotate a chart down cold. Focusing on any other part of the methodology while one's annotation skills remain suspect definitiely places the cart before the horse, and places the trader at a clear disadvantage. I encourage you to review the channels Document and The Determining Trend Thread listed at the Beginning of the Futures Journal.

- Spydertrader
 
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You have drawn in a Pink Down channel. What color of increasing Volume needs to materialize after a Point Three in a Down channel? You appear to be suggesting that increasing Black Volume follows a Point Three Down. Does this make sense to you?



Absolutely doesnt make sense at all. I would expect increased red volume after the point three but where I get confused is if the channel is valid because we see increased red possibly on a 30 min or 60 min fractal within that one day move on the Daily. I'm assuming i should treat every fractal individually in terms of that chart's channels FTTs etc...

Thank you for the insight I defintiely will read up on the future's Guassian talk. Also, I have been searching for sometime now for a spot where Flaws and formations are explained thouroughly and a recent post in this forum has been a major help in finding these spots.
- Spydertrader
 
HMIN gave a signal today for a buy around 28.10. I got in and made about .50. After that what happened next was downright ugly. According to my chart it looked like a textbook BO of the red down channel when the signal triggered. We had decreasing black volume after an FTT back to the line and we were headed for increasing black on a BO of the RTL and then it plummeted back down. Is this a textbook FBO? Same thing happened with WCG yesterday. A short signal was given and today it skyrocketed. How do we avoid these situations, what are the signals to look for for exits/reversals. Is the FTT realy an FTT(I thought I had this one pegged). Currently HMIN is decreasing red on the 30 but the drop has been significant and someone in at the signal could be down $1.50 at this point.

Any comments greatly appreciated.
 

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Quote from TraderD72:

As has been said before...

Establishing your Point 3 is not always the same bar that you take action on (enter a trade)...

Often we see a potential Point 3 (with low PRV) and confirm that it WAS indeed a Point 3, a bar or two (3? 4?) later, after we have the +PRV that we need.

Today we saw a Point 3 (down channel) at 10:15am, which had the required +PRV, but the bar had not yet traded below the low of the previous bar.

I usually wait for both, increased PRV AND a break of the previous bar low (or high for up channels) to take action.

Spyder.....Is taking action on this bar, once you have the PRV you need, jumping the gun?

Spyder,

Dont know if you saw this but would you mind commenting on this post when you have a minute.

Thanks in advance.
 
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