Iterative Refinement

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However, let's say someone hasn't yet learned to differentiate Peak Volume from Pace Acceleration, and they decided to head long at 13:10. WHat happens then? Does this trader make it back onto the right side of the market?

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While I am not completely sure what signal does the Outside Bar 13:45 [close of] represent, the next one, IBGS on increasing black volume 13:50 [close of] changes the mode to short.
 
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First - Hold short. The Bar is non-dominant. Price (at close of bar) remains within a Lateral. Dominance remains down (red).

Second - Hold long. Change developed prior to this Bar providing a reverse signal. Dominance is now Up (black).

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So, concerning the first, when using ES only, when a bar breaks out of a (non-dominant) lateral on increasing volume one has to hold until end of bar in order to see if it is a real or a false breakout?
And I suppose the finer tools might help here to stay on the right side before the end of that bar?

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Even though we had rtl bo + ibv at 13:45, I can see that the sequence did not complete until 13:55. At that point, we are inside lat movement. What is the trav level signal for change to get short at or around 14:15?
 

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First attempt at realtime logging today. Is this the sort of thing people are using?...

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So, concerning the first, when using ES only, when a bar breaks out of a (non-dominant) lateral on increasing volume one has to hold until end of bar in order to see if it is a real or a false breakout?
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Correct. Keep in mind, it isn't just 'ES only' which requires the 'waiting period' here. Until a trader has developed the necessary skills and experience, the trader makes decisions at end of bar in order to avoid taking an innappropriately timed Action.

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And I suppose the finer tools might help here to stay on the right side before the end of that bar?
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The finer tools help the trader to trade within the Lateral, and as such, place the trader on the right side of the market, prior to any breakout by Price.

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First attempt at realtime logging today. Is this the sort of thing people are using?...

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Hi,

try searching for templates from Jack. They look pretty similar to the one you posted though.
 
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Even though we had rtl bo + ibv at 13:45, I can see that the sequence did not complete until 13:55. At that point, we are inside lat movement. What is the trav level signal for change to get short at or around 14:15?
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1. 13:15 isn't providing a signal to head long (sequences not completed)

2. Therefore, no need to head short later in the day.

However, if a trader, as you did, incorrectly headed long at 13:15, then what tells you that you sit on the wrong side of the market? Those very same sequences which you believed had ended at 13:15, had to start over again, right? Well, at some point in time, the trader can 'see' that the market has provided a down Traverse[/b] followed by a Lateral Traverse. What must come next? and what did the market provide?

Congrats, you just experienced that which had previously eluded your grasp - an error which provided extra profit. :)

- Spydertrader
 
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