It is IMPOSSIBLE to make money in the markets

realx, u gettin' all wet. if u buy puts and u say i am riskin' 50k i have to assume u are talkin' about the whole premium since they are deep otm and u said u had no plans to close 'em. those ARE lottery tickets by definition, u are takin' a gamble based on your biased view of the mkt, and u already seein' it wont pay off. 5months is still a very short period of time for what u are expectin', infact is almost nothin'. this trade is ugly man, many of us told u so and we were just tryin' to save u good money. the fact u come here and pretend u can school newbs about biased tradin' show your hypocrisy.
one of the fellas givin' u advice was reardoniz for cryin out loud..if u dont wanna listen to me, pay attention to what he has to say, does he come across as an idiot with little experience?
plus, listen, un just too much stubborn on this trade, that's not a good sign usually, sometimes we all need a reality check when we are dreamin' about 1trade that we think will make us rich.
Quote from BrandNewTrader:

How do you know how much money I put into the trade? I never gave an absolute amount, I spoke only in terms of risk.

Why would you label long-dated out-of-the-money options as lottery tickets? That just shows you know nothing about options trading/speculation. Options are securities that allow you to limit your risk while gaining exposure to superior returns. Maybe you should learn more about them? I have a formal background in options pricing, do you? I know very little about credit markets and would not make srong assertions about someone else's CDO trading strategy because I know very little about it.

I am a new trader but am not new to the markets. I am already familiar with the market and probabilities. I am currently learning about profitability.

You've been around a while and I'm sure you have enjoyed success trading (?). But don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about when you don't know anything about the basis upon which I am making a trade and what my strategy/tactics are. Without knowing those details you're just "flaming" me on some sort of "newbie patrol"?? I don't know. That's bull$hit, you should know better...

Why do you think there will not be a US recession through 2007? That is the 30,000ft view that serves as the underlying premise of that particular trade I am making.

And to further correct you, I didn't buy any ES puts, the minis don't go out far enough on Globex. I bought SPY puts out to Dec 07 at varying strikes and expirations. I am also preparing put positions on copper, brazil, china and the homebuilders, call options on oil. Also considering silver puts.

I am also developing my own daytrading system based on a combination of fundamental and technical analysis. Right now it revolves around trading the Sector HLDRS ETF's based on chart analysis of the long term, intermediate, and short-term trends. Still figuring out optimal amount of indicators, which indicators fit my style the best, and what combination of information resources (barron's editorials, wsj editorials, bloomberg, newsweek, businessweek, economist, trading mags) give the best fundamental economic picture of the market.

Do you approve Bitstream? Or does that sound like some dumb newbie $hit to you? Please, be honest with me.

If anyone else thinks I am deluding myself, please say so. I've noticed a subtle hazing culture here? Not sure. Not saying im against hazing per say, just surprised at how misguided it is? Why don't you haze the idiots, regardless of their length of tenure. Maybe some of the hazers are the idiots. Maybe it comes down to who's got the biggest mouth rather than quality of content? Sounds like some dumb gradeschool $hit if you ask me. Who knows.

Seems to be uncharacteristic of people who are supposed to be mastering an art that requires deep introspection, emotional intelligence and clarity of thought...
 
It isn't IMPOSSIBLE. The problem is that 90%-95% of people who trade the markets do not make money. So, yes, it sure seems to most people that it is impossible. However, it is very possible. you just have to learn how.

I lost money when I started as well until I was mentored by someone who knew what they were doing.

Goodl luck to you.
 
You currently don't lose any money because your mentor told you to quit trading ? :cool:

Quote from fbutera101:

It isn't IMPOSSIBLE. The problem is that 90%-95% of people who trade the markets do not make money. So, yes, it sure seems to most people that it is impossible. However, it is very possible. you just have to learn how.

I lost money when I started as well until I was mentored by someone who knew what they were doing.
 
HAHA! I guess that's one way to not lose money eh? Not quite true in my case, but definitely got a good laugh out of it. :)

Quote from Ripley:

You currently don't lose any money because your mentor told you to quit trading ? :cool:
 
ripley,
admit it u r still addicted.....r u would be gone.....u r still caught up in the overnight big money....that won't happen.......take a olong slow journey in a couple o f years the chart will start to look familiar after a fe w thousand hours.....
 
yeap.. ADDICTED sure is it. Addicted to MAKING MONEY.

I was just warning all the minions in here before I take their lunch money. So that I won't feel oh SO guilty.

I wish someone had told me about the perils of engaging in this wild and dangerous game of futures trading. But, now that I survived what 99.5% of others I know won't.. I am finally ready to take on the markets for a ride.

Quote from porgie:

ripley,
admit it u r still addicted.....r u would be gone.....u r still caught up in the overnight big money....that won't happen.......take a olong slow journey in a couple o f years the chart will start to look familiar after a fe w thousand hours.....
 
it is the only 100 % system going....et forum s are for grins mostly
why is someone going to work their buns off and then say here all u attack vicious mean spirited people with the occasional nice poster take it i want to give it to you so you can curse me some more or make fun of older people and even talk ugly about their family by the evil few.........most guys here are okay.....and gals...just don't deceive yourself ....you will have to earn your skills, and it is very difficult process, unless you have the burning passion for it and then it is all pleasure.......indescribable pleasure .........trying to discover the money tree........it does exist......
 
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