It Begins. Holder Announces Plan To Ban Semi-Auto Guns

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False logic - - FL is 'lenient' in your opinion - - so therefore the cause of any increasing crime must be due to the laws.

But, Vermont has the "most lenient" gun laws in the nation. Permits aren't even required to carry a concealed handgun. They were rated the worst by the Brady anti-gun group. Yet Vermont has among the lowest murder rates in the United States. Similarly, Montana - - which has a history as a Western gun and hunting culture also has among the lowest murder rates in the country.

I haven't done the research, but I would suspect that any increase in FL violent crime has more to do with illegal drugs than with gun laws.
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Get real, Vermont? Montana? Population densities and demographics are totally different. There is no false logic, Orlando has hit record murders in 2008 and probably will in 2009. The problem is not enough cops. As living standards will decline, US will drown in crime.

The easier it is to get a gun, the harder it is to "pacify" the population.

5 families of New York will probably always have a gun while an average mofo on the street won't if the strict gun laws existed from a long time ago.

I go back to my statement: Guns in private hands don't decrease crime, they increase crime, an effect which is camouflaged by a high standard of living and an effective police force

In the Wild West, despite almost everyone having a gun, shoot outs happened on a regular basis and sheriffs got shot rather frequently.

If 2-3 armed people walk into your local Walgreens, are you going to be a hero and try to pull out your gun?




P.S Here is how Switzerland does it (it also has an unreasonably high standard of living but still

You can get a gun for home protection but it is almost impossible to get a carrying permit. The middle ground in all of this could be you are allowed to have a shotgun(or rifle) for home protection only but nothing else. This will take care of the mythical home invasion scenario.


Appeals to emotion are not valid arguments. They simply are not. In order to understand that, one needs to have education beyond secondary. So all of you who insist that is perfectly reasonable to advance such an argument you simply highlight your ignorance.

You would be laughed out of the room in any logic class.


NY vs LA. One has a large police force and strict gun laws and the other has a small police force and relatively lax gun laws. The result - One is a trashcan the other is under control.
 
You're all over the map with your unsupported arguments.

Just admit: You're so petrified of black people being armed that you want some limp wristed protection provided by Big Brother that will do little to increase your safety. You can bring up Switzerland or whatever all you want but the FACT IS a white guy in Orlando is probably no greater homicide risk than a white guy in Geneva.

I already showed you the decrease in Florida homicide rates. You ignore the data. Then all of a sudden you're comparing L.A. to NYC. No idea where you're going with that one. Which is the "trashcan?" I know L.A. homicide patterns better than anyone on this board. Between the City of L.A. and suburban L.A. County there were about 700 murders last year (pop. over 10mil). The number of non-hispanic whites slain? Near as I can tell, thirty-with only about half of those white on white. (there was a handful of whites shot in suicide by cop) Meaning? L.A. whites killed a whopping 15 people last year. Yea there's a real bloodbath on the streets of Westwood and Bel-Air.

L.A.-which doesn't have a particularly high murder rate despite your unsupported assertion does indeed have a higher homicide rate than New York. Wanna compare demographics and incomes? Not even close. Only 1 out of 3 Angeleno's is non-Hispanic white. The murder rate among Los Angeles County whites is no different than NYC's white homicide rate or in Chicago where LITERALLY 97-99% of murders each year are committed by minorities .

So instead of spewing bullshit why not speak the truth? You're not at all worried about white folks with guns but you're quaking in your boots that you live in a city that's filled with gun-toting blacks. And those blacks will no sooner stop carrying because of laws then they've stopped shooting, stopped robbing and stopped dealing drugs because of laws. That's why they're lawless. They IGNORE laws.

Making some ridiculous hypothetical, "well if we'd always had gun control..." is as inane as arguing "if guns had never been invented we'd see less shootings". Duh.

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Get real, Vermont? Montana? Population densities and demographics are totally different. There is no false logic, Orlando has hit record murders in 2008 and probably will in 2009. The problem is not enough cops. As living standards will decline, US will drown in crime.

The easier it is to get a gun, the harder it is to "pacify" the population.

5 families of New York will probably always have a gun while an average mofo on the street won't if the strict gun laws existed from a long time ago.

I go back to my statement: Guns in private hands don't decrease crime, they increase crime, an effect which is camouflaged by a high standard of living and an effective police force

In the Wild West, despite almost everyone having a gun, shoot outs happened on a regular basis and sheriffs got shot rather frequently.

If 2-3 armed people walk into your local Walgreens, are you going to be a hero and try to pull out your gun?




P.S Here is how Switzerland does it (it also has an unreasonably high standard of living but still

You can get a gun for home protection but it is almost impossible to get a carrying permit. The middle ground in all of this could be you are allowed to have a shotgun(or rifle) for home protection only but nothing else. This will take care of the mythical home invasion scenario.


Appeals to emotion are not valid arguments. They simply are not. In order to understand that, one needs to have education beyond secondary. So all of you who insist that is perfectly reasonable to advance such an argument you simply highlight your ignorance.

You would be laughed out of the room in any logic class.


NY vs LA. One has a large police force and strict gun laws and the other has a small police force and relatively lax gun laws. The result - One is a trashcan the other is under control.
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What's your plan to disarm black people?

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

You're all over the map with your unsupported arguments.

Just admit: You're so petrified of black people being armed that you want some limp wristed protection provided by Big Brother that will do little to increase your safety. You can bring up Switzerland or whatever all you want but the FACT IS a white guy in Orlando is probably no greater homicide risk than a white guy in Geneva.

I already showed you the decrease in Florida homicide rates. You ignore the data. Then all of a sudden you're comparing L.A. to NYC. No idea where you're going with that one. Which is the "trashcan?" I know L.A. homicide patterns better than anyone on this board. Between the City of L.A. and suburban L.A. County there were about 700 murders last year (pop. over 10mil). The number of non-hispanic whites slain? Near as I can tell, thirty-with only about half of those white on white. (there was a handful of whites shot in suicide by cop) Meaning? L.A. whites killed a whopping 15 people last year. Yea there's a real bloodbath on the streets of Westwood and Bel-Air.

L.A.-which doesn't have a particularly high murder rate despite your unsupported assertion does indeed have a higher homicide rate than New York. Wanna compare demographics and incomes? Not even close. Only 1 out of 3 Angeleno's is non-Hispanic white. The murder rate among Los Angeles County whites is no different than NYC's white homicide rate or in Chicago where LITERALLY 97-99% of murders each year are committed by minorities .

So instead of spewing bullshit why not speak the truth? You're not at all worried about white folks with guns but you're quaking in your boots that you live in a city that's filled with gun-toting blacks. And those blacks will no sooner stop carrying because of laws then they've stopped shooting, stopped robbing and stopped dealing drugs because of laws. That's why they're lawless. They IGNORE laws.

Making some ridiculous hypothetical, "well if we'd always had gun control..." is as inane as arguing "if guns had never been invented we'd see less shootings". Duh.
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Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

You're all over the map with your unsupported arguments.

Just admit: You're so petrified of black people being armed that you want some limp wristed protection provided by Big Brother that will do little to increase your safety. You can bring up Switzerland or whatever all you want but the FACT IS a white guy in Orlando is probably no greater homicide risk than a white guy in Geneva.

I already showed you the decrease in Florida homicide rates. You ignore the data. Then all of a sudden you're comparing L.A. to NYC. No idea where you're going with that one. Which is the "trashcan?" I know L.A. homicide patterns better than anyone on this board. Between the City of L.A. and suburban L.A. County there were about 700 murders last year (pop. over 10mil). The number of non-hispanic whites slain? Near as I can tell, thirty-with only about half of those white on white. (there was a handful of whites shot in suicide by cop) Meaning? L.A. whites killed a whopping 15 people last year. Yea there's a real bloodbath on the streets of Westwood and Bel-Air.

L.A.-which doesn't have a particularly high murder rate despite your unsupported assertion does indeed have a higher homicide rate than New York. Wanna compare demographics and incomes? Not even close. Only 1 out of 3 Angeleno's is non-Hispanic white. The murder rate among Los Angeles County whites is no different than NYC's white homicide rate or in Chicago where LITERALLY 97-99% of murders each year are committed by minorities .

So instead of spewing bullshit why not speak the truth? You're not at all worried about white folks with guns but you're quaking in your boots that you live in a city that's filled with gun-toting blacks. And those blacks will no sooner stop carrying because of laws then they've stopped shooting, stopped robbing and stopped dealing drugs because of laws. That's why they're lawless. They IGNORE laws.

Making some ridiculous hypothetical, "well if we'd always had gun control..." is as inane as arguing "if guns had never been invented we'd see less shootings". Duh.
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You are projecting your values on me. I am not concerned about minorities, I am concerned about inbreds regardless of race.

If I see a shady character, I see a shady character, if I see an Ivy League graduate, I see an Ivy league graduate. The chance of some immature high school drop out fool with a gun is not something I like to see.

Your statement about a "white" guy being as safe in orlando as in geneva qualifies for moronic post of the year. Switzerland is very peaceful as far as violent crime is concerned.

"I don't jump all over the place", I had to include numerous examples related to various issues raised by different posters and combine it in one post.
 
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What's your plan to disarm black people?
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I don't care if blacks carry guns. Just like whites became less prone to murder over the past half century so will blacks. In the mean time blacks primarily kill other blacks and Mexicans kill other Mexicans. A win-win for everyone.....
 
You say my Geneva example is moronic but you don't refute it. How many non-hispanic whites were arrested for murder in Orlando last year? You're the one who lives in that shithole. You should certainly know. Use the Sentinel's "homicide map." It's not like there were thousands of murders in Orange-there were 120. Which in a county of 1.1 million isn't that excessive anyways. i.e. Your murder rate is far, far below Chicago's.


Quote from IShopAtPublix:

You are projecting your values on me. I am not concerned about minorities, I am concerned about inbreds regardless of race.

If I see a shady character, I see a shady character, if I see an Ivy League graduate, I see an Ivy league graduate. The chance of some immature high school drop out fool with a gun is not something I like to see.

Your statement about a "white" guy being as safe in orlando as in geneva qualifies for moronic post of the year. Switzerland is very peaceful as far as violent crime is concerned.

"I don't jump all over the place", I had to include numerous examples related to various issues raised by different posters and combine it in one post.
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Non sequitur...

You talk more about blacks carrying guns doing your racist act...and then you say you don't care if blacks carry guns.

Try Wheaties for breakfast, not the bowl of shit stupid...

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

I don't care if blacks carry guns. Just like whites became less prone to murder over the past half century so will blacks. In the mean time blacks primarily kill other blacks and Mexicans kill other Mexicans. A win-win for everyone.....
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Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

You say my Geneva example is moronic but you don't refute it. How many non-hispanic whites were arrested for murder in Orlando last year? You're the one who lives in that shithole. You should certainly know. Use the Sentinel's "homicide map." It's not like there were thousands of murders in Orange-there were 120. Which in a county of 1.1 million isn't that excessive anyways. i.e. Your murder rate is far, far below Chicago's.
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Certain things are known a priori (such as Geneva is safer than Orlando)

Murder is not the only possible outcome. You conveniently forget to mention armed robbery, rape, carjackings, drive by shootings not resulting in death, etc. When some idiot walks into a Walgreens and demands Oxycontin and walks out without shooting anyone, technically nobody died, but to say one's life was not in danger is misleading.

Still want to insist on your comparison to Geneva? Your credibility is collapsing with every word.
 
I didn't say Geneva's murder rate was lower than Orlando's. I said Orlando's murder rate AMONG WHITES is possibly comparable. Have you ever BEEN TO EUROPE? Their non-violent crime rate is HIGHER than America's-perhaps not Switzerland but certainly the U.K.'s.

"Last year, London saw more serious assaults, armed robberies, and car thefts than New York; 2002 could see London's murder rate exceed the Big Apple's.

The same pattern can be seen throughout Europe-indeed, in much of the developed world. Crime has recently hit record highs in Paris, Madrid, Stockholm, Amsterdam, Toronto, and a host of other major cities. In a 2001 study, the British Home Office (the equivalent of the U.S. Department of Justice) found violent and property crime increased in the late 1990s in every wealthy country except the United States. American property crime rates have been lower than those in Britain, Canada, and France since the early 1990s, and violent crime rates throughout the European Union, Australia, and Canada have recently begun to equal and even surpass those in the United States. Even Sweden, once the epitome of cosmopolitan socialist prosperity, now has a crime victimization rate 20 percent higher than that of the United States."

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.13948/pub_detail.asp

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902



Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Certain things are known a priori (such as Geneva is safer than Orlando)

Murder is not the only possible outcome. You conveniently forget to mention armed robbery, rape, carjackings, drive by shootings not resulting in death, etc. When some idiot walks into a Walgreens and demands Oxycontin and walks out without shooting anyone, technically nobody died, but to say one's life was not in danger is misleading.

Still want to insist on your comparison to Geneva? Your credibility is collapsing with every word.
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It's you who as usual is arguing devoid of logic.

Pabst stated blacks commit the vast majority of violent crimes in America.

Pabst says most crime committed by blacks is against fellow blacks.

Pabst could give two shits if other than the Bears defensive eleven whether blacks exterminate themselves.

Hence, why would Pabst be overly concerned about blacks with guns?



Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Non sequitur...

You talk more about blacks carrying guns doing your racist act...and then you say you don't care if blacks carry guns.

Try Wheaties for breakfast, not the bowl of shit stupid...
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