It Begins. Holder Announces Plan To Ban Semi-Auto Guns

Tigerjaw · Mar 1, 2009

ByLoSellHi - - good post that reminded me of an event in my past. - - A good friend owns some apartments in Seattle. They were going to be out of town and asked me to help out with some things while they were gone. There happened to have been a number of break-ins recently in the neighborhood, and my friends apartments had been the target on two occasions. - - In order to reassure the tenants, my friend had arranged to provide some motion detector alarms. (He also arranged to have some new security grating and gate system installed, but it took a long time to get the needed permits.) I installed the alarms.
Well one day I had to go into one of the units to fix some other things, when I noticed that the tenants had actually disconnected and taken down the alarm. The spot where it had been now had a painting over it. I was puzzled and asked them about it, and the reply was that seeing the burglar alarm made them think about the possibility of a break-in which they found disturbing - - so they removed it !
I guess there are sheep and wolves . . . and German Shepherds out there.

Tigerjaw · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

It is a dumb example that is only used by demagogues. Appeals to emotion are not valid arguments.

I disagree. - - The question was about taking all of this out of the theoretical realm and out onto the street, or in one's own home. Because, if ever faced with such a terrible situation - that's where a person would have to make the decision that would mean life or death. - - I noticed, like so many others, you didn't answer the question - - most likely because the answer is obvious, even though that doesn't match your theoretical 'philosophy'. What man wouldn't do whatever it takes to protect his loved ones or himself from a predator ?

I have an in-law, a nice guy. He has an actual physical reaction and recoils when around guns. (From what I've been able to find out, his father was a hard case military man and somehow berated him when he took him to the shooting range as a kid.) My in-law won't go with the rest of us when we target shoot with .22 rifles or shoot clay pigeon targets with our shotguns. He has no objection to the rest of us doing so, but he is frightened by guns. - - - Yes, some people have an illogical and purely emotional reaction to them. Regards, - -

omegapoint · Mar 1, 2009

Probably has less to do with crime than this.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/garden_plot.htm

bronks · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from saxon:

In your dreams...

Yeah, when all hell breaks loose and roving bands of quasi-neo-facist-nazi-farrakhanloving-SS-deathsquad-fanatical-socialist party organizing-skinheaded freaks come bust'in through your door in the wee hours of the morning to drag your ass away because you're not on the "approved" list... oh, lets not forget about the zombies and aliens (hey you never know)...

... I hope your baseball bat and butter knife serve you well.

In the mean time I'll arm myself to the teeth and hope my nightmare remains in my dreams.

omegapoint · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from bronks:

Yeah, when all hell breaks loose and roving bands of quasi-neo-facist-nazi-farrakhanloving-SS-deathsquad-fanatical-socialist party organizing-skinheaded freaks come bust'in through your door in the wee hours of the morning to drag your ass away because you're not on the "approved" list... oh, lets not forget about the zombies and aliens (hey you never know)...

... I hope your baseball bat and butter knife serve you well.

In the mean time I'll arm myself to the teeth and hope my nightmare remains in my dreams.

"Are you talkin to me?"
Like you know me. I'm pro gun ownership for the very reason you cited, just pointing out what they're thinking.

bronks · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from omegapoint:

"Are you talkin to me?"
Like you know me. I'm pro gun ownership for the very reason you cited, just pointing out what they're thinking.

I'm just gonna sit back and wait 'till someone discredits my statement because it contains aliens and zombies in it.

Thunderdog · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from Burtakus:

So its really the people you are scared of, not the guns. It's a shame that you and other "ban the guns" people are that scared of your fellow man (or woman).

Just because you are scared of them does not mean that I am so why should my choices in life be ruled by your fears.

If you are so brave and don't fear your fellow man (or woman), then why do you feel the need to own firearms?

Thunderdog · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from bronks:

Yeah, when all hell breaks loose and roving bands of quasi-neo-facist-nazi-farrakhanloving-SS-deathsquad-fanatical-socialist party organizing-skinheaded freaks come bust'in through your door in the wee hours of the morning to drag your ass away because you're not on the "approved" list...

I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but skinheads are far more likely to be Republicans than they are to be Democrats. (That alone should give you pause about your beliefs.) Nice try, though.

CaptainObvious · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

So, if the bad man comes into your home late at night, and wants to do you and your family harm, and he is armed well with a sawed off shotgun or .45ACP handgun, do you feel comfortable calling 911 and arming yourself with a bat or crowbar, and riding it out for what could be as long as 20 minutes?

Well, do you?

We're on the same page being against the banning of weapons but...if a bad man enters your home at night and he's already armed, a gun won't save you, and will probably get you killed. The bad guy already has the jump, and you fumbling around for your weapon will only get you shot.
The best defense is to play along, wait for an opening, and then attack with fists of fury. Personally I feel safer that way. Bottom line is the bad guy comes in to my house already armed, he's got the edge. He comes in unarmed, he'd better be one tough motherfucker, because one of us will surely die that night.

Burtakus · Mar 1, 2009

Quote from Thunderdog:

If you are so brave and don't fear your fellow man (or woman), then why do you feel the need to own firearms?

1) I like to hunt
2) I like to target shoot and shoot skeet/trap for sport
3) It's my constitutional right to be able to own firearms
4) The vast majority of my fellow men and women are good natured people who I have no fear of and feel no need to limit their access to firearms.
5) There are always exceptions to everything. I did recently have an experience where the action alone of a pump shotgun literally scared off a would be burglar.

The real question here, as with most things, is; do we as a society let the minority that make up dregs and and low lifes determine the freedom of the majority.

My position is no. Unfortunately our society is moving away from personnel freedom of choice all in the name of protection (whether that be from people who have guns, from terrorists, from financial hardships, etc.). My personal opinion is this is due to a lack of responsibility for ones self we are seeing a paradigm shift in what it means to be American. From the firearms perspective, you would rather place your trust in government institutions to protect you, your family, and your possessions instead of take the responsibility yourself. In doing this you are also willing to limit the freedom of law the abiding citizen to enjoy a sport that has been a part of human nature since forever.

Through many personal observations and experiences over the years I have come to believe that it is generally the weak, scared, and incompetent who feel the need to limit societies freedoms through government confiscation of those freedoms.