I'm not saying the two are comparable.Quote from RobMc:
See, ya just don't fight fire with fire is the point RobMc is making, I think.Quote from dddooo:
What a bunch of nonsense, what a twisted piece of logic, I can't believe anyone sane could come up with this kind of crap. You're actually comparing israel's retaliations to the bombing of the twin towers instead of comparing thousands of terrorist attacks against israeli women and children, several wars against israel, recent non-stop mortar shelling of Israeli towns from Gaza, abduction of israeli civilians and soldiers with the bombing of the twin towers. How some people are able to turn everything upside down is beyond me.:eek:
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Killing is when people die, the Israelis are not killing civilians intentionally, they did intentionally blow up the bridges, there were no reported casualties.Quote from DrawDown:
You call blowing up the Palestinians' sole power station for electricity and water... and the only two bridges for supplies... "unintentionally"??
I agree, that's exactly the point he was making. Turning the other cheek usually works out great in the arab and muslim world.Quote from DrawDown:
See, ya just don't fight fire with fire is the point RobMc is making, I think.
I see... I see.Quote from dddooo:
Killing is when people die, the Israelis are not killing civilians intentionally, they did intentionally blow up the bridges, there were no reported casualties.
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Taking the couse Israel is, it makes THEM the biggest nation of "terrorists" in the world.
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I'm not saying the two are comparable.
Actually you did.
Actually I didn't, provide the quote.
Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians than OBL and Al-Q has killed US civilians.
Israel kills unintentionally, OBL, AQ, Hamas kill intentionally, why is that so hard to understand. The US killed way more German civilians during WWII than Gemans did, it does not make Americans the bad guys does it? if it did not happen you together with your entire island would be speaking German. The issue is who starts the hostilities, who hides among civilians, who attacks civilians deliberately, who refuses any peace proposals and who refuses to recognize the other side's right to exist.
When an Israeli soldier takes a childs head into the crosshairs and pulls the trigger it IS intentional. According to your doctrine it was ok for the Nazis to level whole villages on the suspicion that they were hiding resistance fighters? Israel are now deliberately targeting civilians, hundreds of thousands of them. Don't tell me, they're all hiding the ONE Israeli guy. Oh no I forgot the Israelis are the good guys so its ok for them to violate basic principles of human rights (and I am NOT saying the Palestinians are blameless). The same human rights that were recognised by the US and the Uk and others after their experiences in WWII.
The question was did it make you feel like negotiating peacefully with the perpetrator?
Nothing will make them feel like negotiating peacefully, you're living in a fantasy land if you think otherwise. Some things may scare them into negotiating though but don't take my word for it, check the Israeli peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt, they were willing to negotiate after they were thoroughly defeated.
They are still going on, just using a proxy. The strategy does not work.
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I'm not saying the two are comparable.
Actually you did.
No I didn't, provide the quote.
Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians than OBL and Al-Q has killed US civilians.
Israel kills unintentionally, OBL, AQ, Hamas kill intentionally, why is that so hard to understand. The US killed way more German civilians during WWII than Gemans did, it does not make Americans the bad guys does it? if it did not happen you together with your entire island would be speaking German. The issue is who starts the hostilities, who hides among civilians, who attacks civilians deliberately, who refuses any peace proposals and who refuses to recognize the other side's right to exist.
When an Israeli soldier takes a childs head into the crosshairs and pulls the trigger it IS intentional. According to your doctrine it was ok for the Nazis to level whole villages on the suspicion that they were hiding resistance fighters? Oh no I forgot the Israelis are the good guys so its ok for them to violate basic principles of human rights (and I am NOT saying the Palestinians are blameless). The same human rights that were recognised by the US and the Uk and others after their experiences in WWII.
The question was did it make you feel like negotiating peacefully with the perpetrator?
Nothing will make them feel like negotiating peacefully, you're living in a fantasy land if you think otherwise. Some things may scare them into negotiating though but don't take my word for it, check the Israeli peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt, they were willing to negotiate after they were thoroughly defeated.
They are still going on, just using a proxy. The strategy does not work.
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