Isn't it time Trayvon's parents accept responsibility?

Quote from Ricter:

I wonder if Martin had had the least bit of groundfighting training, gotten his knees under Zimmerman's elbows, a proper full mount, so that the firearm couldn't be drawn, if Zimmerman would be dead today or just licking his wounds.

Sadly Trayvon was headed down the completely wrong path due to a total lack of responsibility on part of his parents. Obviously it was likely that his life was going to end at the point of a gun (statistically a common occurrence in the black community). The only surprising part is that a neighborhood watch volunteer pulled the trigger and not a black gang member.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Tao you're staying with your "group" again it was Lucrum who brought up the size thing and I corrected him on that. And you're assuming a lot of stuff you don't know who started the fight or if Zimmerman was protecting himself or if Zimmerman murdered Martin. All we know is that the state didn't have enough evidence to convict him...period.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm following the legal ruling of the jury. The rest is irrelevant.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Lucrum said Martin was larger not taller or more fit just larger and as happens a lot you and Lucrum are wrong.

I don't care who said what about being large. I'm just throwing out there that size doesn't trump training. It's the other way around.
 
Quote from Ricter:

I wonder if Martin had had the least bit of groundfighting training, gotten his knees under Zimmerman's elbows, a proper full mount, so that the firearm couldn't be drawn, if Zimmerman would be dead today or just licking his wounds.

It's probably inexperience, and maybe a bit of faulty training. I can't tell you how many times I've seen "martial arts" teachers train against a gun incorrectly. The first rule of any encounter with someone is to watch where their hands go. He was probably too busy hitting Zimmerman that he didn't notice. And yes, a full mount would have helped. You and I can sit here and surmise technique or it's relative failure, but no one knows.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

I'm not assuming anything. I'm following the legal ruling of the jury. The rest is irrelevant.

Damn some of your circular arguments are resembling Lucrum and pspr. The rest as you put it was a direct respond to your post. It's like reading faux news on here most of the time. Except even they will through in some common sense now and then.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Damn some of your circular arguments are resembling Lucrum and pspr. The rest as you put it was a direct respond to your post. It's like reading faux news on here most of the time. Except even they will through in some common sense now and then.
The only thing circular about our arguments is how they dance around your head several levels beyond your understanding.
 
Quote from pspr:

The only thing circular about our arguments is how they dance around your head several levels beyond your understanding.

You're one of the fools on your side, a slow thinker and a follower you're only a little above Lucrum. Tao is one of the bright ones on your side and it's good to have someone intelligent on the other side to talk with. And when he does the circular argument BS like you and luc it takes the fun and challenge out the talk.
 
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