Really the difference is Christian bible do tell people to kill, rape, defend their religion. The fundamental interpretation of that bible can make the Christians people do crazy, cruel, intolerance, inhuman, horrible acts. But Christianity is not allowed to go against (law) of the USA, or any country with separation of the church and state. Those cruels demands from the god of the bible are stopped by (law). Really most Christians do not read their bible to take serious. Be grateful for their ignorance of what they think they believe.
Islam - is it the Religion of Peace - the debate thread
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So tell me exactly where in the New Testament the Bible tells Christians to kill, rape, and violently defend their religion.
Can't find a verse to defend your assertions? I thought so.
Why only New Testament when the Christian Bible is 2 thirds Old Testament, full of its God spouting violence, murder and rape?
Nevertheless, NT Jesus is not all peace and light, promising a sword rather than peace.
Then there's the NT Jesus parables supposedly there for Christians to live by, which condone a ruler's violence as acceptable practice rather than condemning it.
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
NT Jesus likes to also threaten those who don't acknowledge and don't succumb to all this god nonsense:
"They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you."
All in all, It's hard to tell the difference between the violent Holy Bible and the violent Holy Quran .......
Holy Bible Versus Holy Quran 'Dit Is Normaal' Experiment Casts Light On Prejudice
What peace is and what's peaceful is obvious. One really shouldn't need a religion to explain what it is supposed to be.
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You're nuttier'n a fruitcake. Probably are one, too.
Christians live under the new covenant. We don't live under the laws of the old covenant. This is what one would refer to as elementary theology.
Those parables refer to the end of time when all will be judged. It should be obvious to anyone but idiots that it isn't a command for Christians to begin killing people who won't submit to God. Care to point out where it's happening? LOL
It's always amazed me how intellectual lightweights like yourself can presume to be enthusiasts of science but then laugh off the end times and judgement day. If there is no effect resulting from a cause, then you don't really have science, now do you? The only science you people will acknowledge is the phony baloney pseudo science like global warming where you can commit fraud with data to show whatever effect you want. I mean where would you be if you couldn't make up temp data that isn't real and then point to it and say it's going to result in calamity? Science!
Flashback 2007: ‘Global warming’ will ‘reduce the length of a day’ – ‘Make Earth spin faster’
Read more: http://www.climatedepot.com/#ixzz3u7rW0K16
The Reality Based Community! LOL!
Q
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/abbott-gets-it-wrong-again-and-again,8479
Perhaps he was referring to these texts:
‘Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.’
Or this:
‘If you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.’
Wrong again. They are from the Christian New Testament (Matthew 10:34 and Romans 13:4).
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The questions this elicits include these:
How many majority Christian countries have been invaded by majority Muslim countries since 1945?
How many majority Muslim countries have been invaded by majority Christian countries?
In fact, since 1945, nominally Christian countries of the West have perpetrated by far the most killing in the name of God. Histories of invasions of Muslim countries by the USA and its allies are easily googled. Most lists have more than 27 invasions with aerial bombing, ground troops or both of at least 14 countries.
These are: Afghanistan, Albania, Bosnia, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kosovo, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Turkey. Invasions of Christian countries by Muslims are far fewer in number and casualties.
Christians routinely claim these were not religiously driven. And indeed the real motivation in many attacks has been to steal oil or other resources. One of Abbott’s predecessors as Liberal leader, Brendan Nelson, once admitted this in an unguarded moment.
UQ
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/abbott-gets-it-wrong-again-and-again,8479
Perhaps he was referring to these texts:
‘Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.’
Or this:
‘If you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.’
Wrong again. They are from the Christian New Testament (Matthew 10:34 and Romans 13:4).
... ... ...
The questions this elicits include these:
How many majority Christian countries have been invaded by majority Muslim countries since 1945?
How many majority Muslim countries have been invaded by majority Christian countries?
In fact, since 1945, nominally Christian countries of the West have perpetrated by far the most killing in the name of God. Histories of invasions of Muslim countries by the USA and its allies are easily googled. Most lists have more than 27 invasions with aerial bombing, ground troops or both of at least 14 countries.
These are: Afghanistan, Albania, Bosnia, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kosovo, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Turkey. Invasions of Christian countries by Muslims are far fewer in number and casualties.
Christians routinely claim these were not religiously driven. And indeed the real motivation in many attacks has been to steal oil or other resources. One of Abbott’s predecessors as Liberal leader, Brendan Nelson, once admitted this in an unguarded moment.
UQ
Personally I think the historical Jesus is a peace-loving person.
Jesus' teaching, just like the teaching of Muhammad ("peace be upon him" http://resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/homework/religion/Islam.htm ), would bring worldly people spiritual warfare within an individual as well as among people themselves for the purpose of peace during its peacebuilding process, in order to avoid any physical warfare/conflict.
However, some words stating in the NT that were said by Jesus were merely made up (perhaps due to incorrect memory) by some other people, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-Letter_Christian .
There are definitely more than 4 gospels (written in ancient Greek) that can be found nowadays http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html , perhaps 5/ 6/ 7/ ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gospels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel
Gospel of Mary: http://gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm
Gospel of Thomas: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/thomas_poxy.htm
Gospel of Philip: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/GPhilip-Barnstone.html
Gospel of Truth: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/got-barnstone.html
There are also some other gospel books found were written in non-Greek, survived with minority cultures.
" Coptic Gospel of the Twelve – late 2nd century Coptic language work – although often equated with the Gospel of the Ebionites, it appears to be an attempt to re-tell the Gospel of John in the pattern of the Synoptics; it quotes extensively from John's Gospel.
Some meaningful deviations Do exist among canonical and non-canonical books!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gospels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_language
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Jesus' teaching, just like the teaching of Muhammad ("peace be upon him" http://resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/homework/religion/Islam.htm ), would bring worldly people spiritual warfare within an individual as well as among people themselves for the purpose of peace during its peacebuilding process, in order to avoid any physical warfare/conflict.
However, some words stating in the NT that were said by Jesus were merely made up (perhaps due to incorrect memory) by some other people, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-Letter_Christian .
There are definitely more than 4 gospels (written in ancient Greek) that can be found nowadays http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html , perhaps 5/ 6/ 7/ ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gospels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel
Gospel of Mary: http://gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm
Gospel of Thomas: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/thomas_poxy.htm
Gospel of Philip: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/GPhilip-Barnstone.html
Gospel of Truth: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/got-barnstone.html
There are also some other gospel books found were written in non-Greek, survived with minority cultures.
" Coptic Gospel of the Twelve – late 2nd century Coptic language work – although often equated with the Gospel of the Ebionites, it appears to be an attempt to re-tell the Gospel of John in the pattern of the Synoptics; it quotes extensively from John's Gospel.
Some meaningful deviations Do exist among canonical and non-canonical books!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gospels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_language
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It's indeed holy war, i.e. spiritual warfare!
Rather than non-holy war, i.e. physical warfare!
As you say. Christians break covenants. Christians broke an old one for a new one. Clearly that much is elementary.
No mention of "end of times". You put that in yourself? So you're simply saying parables of New Testament Jesus are not meant for Christians to live by, but to die by. Doubt many "Christians" would agree with that one.
Muslims would say exactly the same about their own barbarous texts.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/15/yes-there-are-christian-terrorists.html
"Yes, There Are Christian Terrorists
The anti-Muslim militias in the Central African Republic may not get the same attention as ISIS, but let’s not forget that people are still doing awful things in the name of Christianity."
[There are still nine Muslims here. We will capture them. We will kill them. When we finish here, we will go to the next village and kill the Muslims there, too.]
"[..] violence perpetrated by Christian terrorists in America. For starters, since 1977 there have been 'eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, 181 arsons, and thousands of incidences of other criminal activities' targeting reproductive health care facilities here at home. With few exceptions, there were perpetrated by Christians who opposed abortion for religious reasons."
If there is no effect resulting from a cause, then without a cause, you don't really have God, do you?
You "intellectual lightweight" , you.