A final thought, Jesus said "Narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life, and few are those who find it"... worthy of pondering...
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A final thought, Jesus said "Narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life, and few are those who find it"... worthy of pondering...
Once again your example speaks far louder than your words. You advocate for everything your Jesus specifically teaches against, you blatantly lie with a fabricated statistic, and when you're called on it you ignore all that, accuse me of "foaming at the mouth" and "judging" you, and go on sinning. You too make my argument for the evil of christian fundamentalists being equal to the evil of Muslims far better than I could with your own example.
Just a hint, I once "knew the One True God as revealed in Jesus", knew it far better than you do as I've illuminated by shining a light on some scriptures you clearly hadn't discovered yet and are still uncomfortable addressing directly. Then I started asking questions and getting non-answers like yours. Then I started looking around and finding that the vast majority of "christians" who were attempting to evangelize like you were actually advocating for the opposite of what Jesus would do. When asked, they refused to provide an answer and went even further and blamed me for having the temerity to ask questions. None of that's a reason to leave the religion, but it is a reason to start asking more questions and doing some thinking on your own. At which point you'll find at least the fundamentalist brand of your religion untenable. I don't pray for anyone, but as an otherwise reasonably intelligent guy I trust you too will eventually come to this conclusion, no matter how much you're in denial now. Good luck.
When Jesus stated his students should be like him. It's Jesus-likeness, as printed in the Greek bible. Where Christ-likeness cannot be found, except Jesus-likeness.
Jesus is an independent thinker, he learns from his (father) God directly, and his God is the Universe which has natural/comic law for people to learn/follow. That is what Jesus wanted his students to be like him, Jesus-likeness - An independent thinker learning and following God's natural law.
Whether going to a worship place is a non-issue to Jesus and his followers. After Jesus was killed, his followers had to hiding behind closed door. Fearing authority's persecution if identified as Jesus followers. They could hardly have the money spending on for any high-rise building as their worship place either.
A secular person, who may call himself atheist, can be a follower of Jesus, because the person is an independent thinker, emerging himself in the Nature. Learning and following the natural law directly, rather than any holy books.
Hence we can see the true Jesus-likeness in this sort of people, that likeness a sometimes cannot be seen or found in churchgoers.
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What would Jesus do about it?
My guess is most likely, Jesus would simply use the above guiding principle in solving the problems we encounter daily.
There is no fixed solution for a particular situation, nor one single solution can fit all situations.
Regarding the great number of asylums trying to reach western countries, the UN could coordinate with a country like the UK or Greece that might be happily willing to sell one of their large-size islands to the UN for settling the asylums, whether Muslims or else. Or build a new island state for them, from scratch in the middle of an ocean.
This possibility has been mentioned before. While living in the asylums island, they can farm their own food, and carry out simple sewing jobs for setting up clothing factory industry. Some of them would return to their native country in peacetime. Some after proper education, perhaps online, can still migrate to desired western countries later for further studies in medicines or laws or whatever.
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https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/...-is-there-an-alternative-to-countries.307005/
Alright Sig you seem to be very interested in this particular verse so I'l come to the party.
Firstly I want to say that I'm not aware of any Christians practising this verse or teaching it for that matter.
When Jesus came he started removing a lot of the Mosaic Law. A lot of the stoning laws went because of the famous line "he that is without sin cast the first stone" with the woman at the well. Basically meaning that we should practice mercy instead of what you mentioned.
You know Sig I think you line up more with what Jesus was saying than you think. Your thinking is that the old bible laws are barbaric and Jesus taught the same thing. You think the same thing! Which is why Jesus try to teach that we shouldn't be stoning people. Which according to your barbaric statements is the same thing you are tying to say.
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I a just curious what was the state laws covering the situation, whether the act of stoning should be used. Jesus wanted us to follow the state's laws, most of which should be derived by the wise-men from natural law principle.
If stoning was not an active state's law of the era, then the people intending to stoning would be simply illegal.
I wouldn't think that only non-sinner is legally allowed to use stone for punishment in this situation, at all. Separately,
Jesus himself also had no any authority in defining whether sinner or non-sinner is allowed to use stones for punishing to death, a barbaric act Jesus didn't openly (e.g. on the scene) criticise, condemn or reject that stoning others to death is in fact barbaric, or perhaps privately to his students as recorded in the bible.
Implying, highly probably, logically it could be a legal act during the age. Or even worse, not doing so (i.e. stoning) is not right, ethically wrong, or possibly illegal! We may also need to understand the policing and court systems 2,000 years ago.
Whether the people's non-action if taken in this situation is a punishable act by the law during the era is not known to me.
The outcome of that situation/scenario was: Luckily the people believed in Jesus's natural law principle - Left the woman alone/alive, and Learned a good lesson of rationality!
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If stoning was not an active state's law of the era, then the people intending to stoning would be simply illegal.
I wouldn't think that only non-sinner is legally allowed to use stone for punishment in this situation, at all. Separately,
Jesus himself also had no any authority in defining whether sinner or non-sinner is allowed to use stones for punishing to death, a barbaric act Jesus didn't openly (e.g. on the scene) criticise, condemn or reject that stoning others to death is in fact barbaric, or perhaps privately to his students as recorded in the bible.
Implying, highly probably, logically it could be a legal act during the age. Or even worse, not doing so (i.e. stoning) is not right, ethically wrong, or possibly illegal! We may also need to understand the policing and court systems 2,000 years ago.
Whether the people's non-action if taken in this situation is a punishable act by the law during the era is not known to me.
The outcome of that situation/scenario was: Luckily the people believed in Jesus's natural law principle - Left the woman alone/alive, and Learned a good lesson of rationality!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_religion
From the 1600s European Catholic and Protestant denominations sent missionaries to convert the tribes to Christianity. Some of these conversions occurred through government and Christian church cooperative efforts that forcibly removed Native American children from their families into a Christian/state government-operated system of American Indian boarding schools (aka The Residential Schools) where Native children were taught European Christian beliefs, the values of mainstream white culture, and the English language. This forcible conversion and suppression of Indigenous languages and cultures continued through the 1970s.[1][2][3]
As part of the US government's suppression of traditional Indigenous religions, most ceremonial ways were banned for over 80 years by a series of US Federal laws that banned traditional sweat lodge and sun dance ceremonies, among others.[4] This government persecution and prosecution continued until 1978 with the passage of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act (AIRFA).[5]
Some non-Native anthropologists estimate membership in traditional Native American religions in the 21st century to be about 9000 people.[6][7] Since Native Americans practicing traditional ceremonies do not usually have public organizations or membership rolls, these "members" estimates are likely substantially lower than the actual numbers of people who participate in traditional ceremonies. Native American spiritual leaders also note that these academic estimates substantially underestimate the numbers of participants because a century of US Federal government persecution and prosecutions of traditional ceremonies caused believers to practice their religions in secrecy. Many adherents of traditional spiritual ways also attend Christian services, at least some of the time, which can also affect statistics. Since the 80 years of those prior legal persecutions ended with AIRFA, some sacred sites in the United States are now protected areas under law.[8]
From the 1600s European Catholic and Protestant denominations sent missionaries to convert the tribes to Christianity. Some of these conversions occurred through government and Christian church cooperative efforts that forcibly removed Native American children from their families into a Christian/state government-operated system of American Indian boarding schools (aka The Residential Schools) where Native children were taught European Christian beliefs, the values of mainstream white culture, and the English language. This forcible conversion and suppression of Indigenous languages and cultures continued through the 1970s.[1][2][3]
As part of the US government's suppression of traditional Indigenous religions, most ceremonial ways were banned for over 80 years by a series of US Federal laws that banned traditional sweat lodge and sun dance ceremonies, among others.[4] This government persecution and prosecution continued until 1978 with the passage of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act (AIRFA).[5]
Some non-Native anthropologists estimate membership in traditional Native American religions in the 21st century to be about 9000 people.[6][7] Since Native Americans practicing traditional ceremonies do not usually have public organizations or membership rolls, these "members" estimates are likely substantially lower than the actual numbers of people who participate in traditional ceremonies. Native American spiritual leaders also note that these academic estimates substantially underestimate the numbers of participants because a century of US Federal government persecution and prosecutions of traditional ceremonies caused believers to practice their religions in secrecy. Many adherents of traditional spiritual ways also attend Christian services, at least some of the time, which can also affect statistics. Since the 80 years of those prior legal persecutions ended with AIRFA, some sacred sites in the United States are now protected areas under law.[8]
