Islam doesn't belong in a civilized country

OddTrader said:
Do a google search on " church .com " to see nowadays churches are running like commercial business, engaged in compassion business. The same kind of business the holy Catholic Church did over 1,500 years ago to the people who can afford to pay for redemption.
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In North/South Carolina every strip mall has a church in it. They are basically money making operations like TV evangelists.
 
OddTrader said:
Perhaps we could try to google search " bible contradictions ". I just did that.

Most likely Koran is not better.
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No contradiction in Bible: Moses prophesied 1700 years before the coming of Christ, saying:

“...The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, according to all you desired of the Lord your God ..."

and when He came, Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me"

So the Bible's witness is to Christ (Moses says listen to Him), who is greater than Moses (see also Hebrews 3:3), teaches to "Love your enemies, do good to them" and who instead of stoning the adulterous woman, forgives her and tells her to go and sin no more.

So there is no contradiction.

The Koran on the other hand does not teach to love your enemies or do good to them. Instead it teaches men that there is no blame for the one who avenges himself and also to lash the adulterer with 100 lashes or kill her/him. This is done routinely in Iran, Saudi Arabia among other muslim majority nations today.
 
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OddTrader said:
Hence the philosophy/theology for two very diverse cultures can be very different. It's not a matter of right or wrong, but just different, very different.

None should claim a better one than others, except helping each other for updating their theology/phylosophy for modernisation purpose!
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OddTrader,

If you had a sister who was caught in adultery in say, Iran or Saudi Arabia, would you rather her be stoned to death/lashed/imprisoned or be forgiven?

Are these two options simply "different"?


Pay attention to the stats between 3:14 and 5:30
 
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Maverick1 said:
No contradiction in Bible: Moses prophesied 1700 years before the coming of Christ, saying:

“...The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, according to all you desired of the Lord your God ..."

and when He came, Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me"

So the Bible's witness is to Christ (Moses says listen to Him), who is greater than Moses (see also Hebrews 3:3), teaches to "Love your enemies, do good to them" and who instead of stoning the adulterous woman, forgives her and tells her to go and sin no more.

So there is no contradiction.

The Koran on the other hand does not teach to love your enemies or do good to them. Instead it teaches men that there is no blame for the one who avenges himself and also to lash the adulterer with 100 lashes or kill her/him. This is done routinely in Iran, Saudi Arabia among other muslim majority nations today.
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'Alan Turing law': Thousands of gay men to be pardoned

20 October 2016

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37711518

Gay and bisexual men convicted of now-abolished sexual offences in England and Wales are to receive posthumous pardons, the government has announced.

Thousands of living men convicted over consensual same-sex relationships will also be eligible for the pardon.

Lib Dem peer Lord Sharkey, who proposed the amendment to the Policing and Crimes Bill, said it was "momentous".

It follows the pardoning of World War Two code-breaker Alan Turing for gross indecency in 2013.

Under the amendment - dubbed "Turing law" - deceased people who were convicted of sexual acts that are no longer deemed criminal will receive an automatic pardon.

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Maverick1 said:
You did not answer my questions.

If you had a sister who was caught in adultery in say, Iran or Saudi Arabia, would you rather her be stoned to death/lashed/imprisoned or be forgiven?

Are these two options simply "different"?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt


A witch-hunt is a search for people labelled "witches" or evidence of witchcraft, often involving moral panic[1] or mass hysteria.[2] The classical period of witchhunts in Early Modern Europe and Colonial North America falls into the Early Modern period or about 1450 to 1750, spanning the upheavals of the Reformation and the Thirty Years' War, resulting in an estimated 35,000 to 100,000 executions.[3][4] Including illegal and summary executions estimate 200,000 or more witches were tortured, burnt or hanged in Western World from 1500 until around 1800. The last executions of people convicted as witches in Europe took place in the 18th century. In other regions, like Africa, Asia and Australia, contemporary witch-hunts have been reported from Sub-Saharan Africa and Papua New Guinea and official legislation against witchcraft is still found in Saudi Arabia and Cameroon today.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft_Act_1735

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-17/northern-territory-to-ditch-their-witchcraft-law/4894086
 
Maverick1 said:
I answered your question, but you did not answer mine. Here it is again:

If the Koran says to love our enemies (your claim), why then does it prescribe death or 100 lashes for the adulterer who is hardly an enemy?
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I did answer your question Mav. See post #53. The answer is, both Bible and Koran are basically saying the same things.

The Bible(New Testament) threatens punishment of death for an apostate who is hardly an enemy.
The Koran threatens punishment of 100 lashes for the adulterer who is hardly an enemy.

Maverick1 said:
The Koran on the other hand does not teach to love your enemies or do good to them.
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Nonsense.

Bible suggests the naive helplessness of a deer caught in the headlights approach of: "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"...
while the Koran recommends something more pragmatic : "Repel evil with good. And he who is your enemy will become your dearest friend".

But then of course they both continue within their texts to threaten death, misery and destruction for the same preposterous reasons to those who are hardly anything like an enemy.

You don't justify Bible hypocrisy by distracting toward Koran hypocrisy.
 
OddTrader said:
No, I don't know.

( Is a digital implant the “mark of the Beast” talked about in the book of Revelation? https://realtruth.org/articles/101105-001-prophecy.html )

I don't even understand why people would spend so much time studying/ reading the book of Revelation. I know I myself don't have the talent doing something like that!

Many of Jesus' teaching already too hard for me to understand. I just pick some of them, the funny ones, for digestion. Many times, it took me more than 10 years of analysis in order to guess what he possibly meant in his historical context/ situation, as far as I can.

Do you know what is baptism in fire as mentioned by Jesus, and how/when people could do that after water baptism? is this a more practical question for believers?

Why Jesus said again and again, Who is my mother? Is this question more relevant to our daily life?

What exactly was Jesus drawing on the sand, and why? In your opinion?

I would prefer to spend time in reading something like this as a reminder about Jesus. http://www.alternet.org/economy/ignore-homelessness-your-own-peril
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A bronze statue of a homeless Jesus on a park bench has sparked controversy in a wealthy American suburb.
By Lin Taylor

15 Apr 2014


A bronze statue of a homeless Jesus on a park bench has sparked controversy in the wealthy American suburb of Davidson in North Carolina.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...atue-sparks-controversy-wealthy-american-town

NPR reported that some locals felt it was insulting to depict the ‘son of God’ in such a demeaning way. It also wasn’t a good look for the community.

St. Alban's Episcopal Church installed the statue on their property as a memorial for parishioner Kate McIntyre. They bought the artwork for US$22,000 (A$23,446).

Despite the mixed reactions, 65-year-old Reverend David Buck told NPR the statue sends a poignant message.

"It gives authenticity to our church," he said. "This is a relatively affluent church, to be honest, and we need to be reminded ourselves that our faith expresses itself in active concern for the marginalised of society."

"We believe that that's the kind of life Jesus had," Buck says. "He was, in essence, a homeless person."

The statue features prominently on the homepage of the church’s website. It reads: “We are blessed to have recently added to our campus the sculpture Homeless Jesus by artist Timothy P.Schmalz of Ontario, Canada.”

Timothy Schmalz, the sculptor and creator of the statue, is a devout Catholic,and said the statue was meant to be confronting.
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