Is working Asian hours that bad?

xandman said:
Isn't going to happen, though. STEM ex-military get great packages with govt contractors while living in low-cost of living areas. It's a slice of heaven.

He would have to be a real dellusioned SOB to pursue something on Wall Street.
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15 of the Fortune 500 CEOs have military background. What you said has a lot of merit, officers especially colonel and above are in very high demand....Though as sle stated he is looking for younger guys.

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-fortune-500-ceos-who-got-their-start-in-the-military-2015-8
 
Ha! I had a few very positive experiences with ex-military guys, both as co-workers and as direct reports. However, I have no idea where to find these people and the HH I am working with seems to be sending me the same type of guys.
 
xandman said:
Isn't going to happen, though. STEM ex-military get great packages with govt contractors while living in low-cost of living areas. It's a slice of heaven.

He would have to be a real dellusioned SOB to pursue something on Wall Street.
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There's a lot of disillusioned SOBs coming off their initial 5 year obligation then. Working for a defense contractor is a special kind of hell, you get all the bureaucracy and idiocy of working for the government but are a second class citizen compared to civilian employees and third class compared to the uniformed folks. And low cost of living areas are low cost for a reason, who wants to live in Bynum, Alabama, Warner Robins, Georgia or Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (three of the big overhaul depots with lots of contractors)? Obviously that appeals to a few people, but if you like being in the military after 5 years and were a good performer you'd stay in the military. If you self-selected and got out, you're likely not going to go into a crappier version of the same field.
What you say is completely true for military retirees, most of them did like the military and even if they didn't they don't know anything else. By and large it isn't true for those getting out after their initial service obligation, at least in my experience with my classmates, friends, and acquaintances.
 
sle said:
Ha! I had a few very positive experiences with ex-military guys, both as co-workers and as direct reports. However, I have no idea where to find these people and the HH I am working with seems to be sending me the same type of guys.
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The big headhunters that specialize in this niche are the Lucas Group and Bradley-Morris. If you want to put the time in, just get a recruiter version of LinkedIn and cold-call/email all the STEM majors who are class of 2011 from the service academies. If you wanted to open the net make it all STEM majors who are military officers who joined in 2011. The Academy grads all graduated in May and will have 3 months of terminal leave saved up so they're all hitting the job market over the next 2-3 months. At the very least strike up a relationship with a couple who can recommend friends. Like I said the network is tight, tighter than my MBA network which is pretty good.
 
Sig said:
The big headhunters that specialize in this niche are the Lucas Group and Bradley-Morris. If you want to put the time in, just get a recruiter version of LinkedIn and cold-call/email all the STEM majors who are class of 2011 from the service academies.
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Honestly, I know nothing about that world and it would be tough for me to evaluate them.

I've had a guy that was a former Army Ranger that worked with me at one of my previous jobs, certainly was a very capable guy (maybe not THE brightest, but smart and hard working). However, he approached me while working at the ops group, so i did not truly recruit him. I don't even know if he was an officer or whatever other rank - my ADD got the best of me there, I am sure he gave a full download during the chat, but it entered my right ear and went strait out the left one.

Anyway, I think I might be putting this "project" off till next year now.
 
sle said:
Dude, the job in question is in a big hedge fund with all of the blah that goes with it.
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You've given next to no details about the position so everybody's shooting from the hip trying to give advice. You'd probably be able to get some more accurate advice with more details.

As far as millennials and Asian hours go: well, I'm a millennial. Not really sure it impacts anything. Having to work Asian hours on the other hand represent a pretty big quality of life decrease. So if I was to accept a job that required Asian hours it would have to come with a pretty big increase in salary to compensate for that.

What do your job adverts look like?
 
Maverick74 said:
If you are interviewing Millennials you better do some research on them. You are not going to like them.
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Whoa hey easy there, some of us aren't so bad lol. Other than using technology frequently of course, I can't think of a single "hipster/millennial" quality I have or any of my friends (well one good friend recently moved to Boston and decided to save the world instead of trying to make money). But there are definitely a ton out there.


In regards to Asian hours, I'm 24 with a 5 year old, SO not your typical candidate if I was applying. I would have no issues with the hours to be honest though because I could get my son early from preschool, hang out with him and my wife until nearly his bedtime. Come to work, then just sleep in a bit in the AM and have all day to do whatever. I'd probably wind up having more time with my son actually. I'm a night owl though AND I'm not too concerned with going out at night or whatever the stereotypical millennial does so that plays a factor.

In all seriousness though, I do have a friend that I think would meet the qualities you are looking for, depending on how junior the position is so to speak, where you are located, and if the pay would justify the move of course. Feel free to PM me if you'd like and I can get you his contact info.
 
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