Is trading only a hobby or job for the rich?

I think what the guy said above about the trading plan is true , i need to start to create this plan now but im kinda confused how to begin , i plan to invest in knowledge but i dont want to overdo it because from my experience you tend to find the same things again and some of them are ineffective too or effective for the wrong reasons , i want few but very solid books. A guy recommended a book *trading for dummies* i plan to buy this , what else should i buy to help me create this plan? also my platform doesnt seem to have a backtesting option , is there any good platform where i can backtest any plan? btw keep in mind that im more interested to learn about forex since i plan to begin with this.

Anyway i would like if someone could show me some if not all the parameters of his plan to get an idea what is considered a serious trading plan , i mean is it only strategy? do you follow certain indicators or chart reads? do you mix a lot of stuff?

When im thinking about trading plan , i can only think about strategic parameters and not anything else , a guy said something about picking the correct broker , well i think this is obvious that i have to find the best broker just like i would need to find the poker room who offer the best rake deals but i would rather pick a more expensive broker if i think its more safe for my money and trades , i mean if i make any money , i want to actually get them.

Developing a Plan (see Section 2).
 
Developing a Plan (see Section 2).

Seems good , im trying to understand your sla concept , i dont think i understand what we achieve with these lines , why does it offer predictive value to track these lines? cant we just look on the chart and tell if something goes up or not and why all this matter? just be aware i havent read all of it but also my english are not the best therefore i may not digest all of the material.

Btw my platform has these trendlines , i can test them out once i understand them :D
 
Last edited:
Seems good , im trying to understand your sla concept , i dont think i understand what we achieve with these lines , why does it offer predictive value to track these lines? cant we just look on the chart and tell if something goes up or not and why all this matter? just be aware i havent read all of it but also my english are not the best therefore i may not digest all of the material.

Btw my platform has these trendlines , i can test them out once i understand them :D

At this point, none of that matters. Focus on developing a plan. The SLA is only one option of many.

As for English not being your primary language, one of the chief advantages of the SLA is that it is purely visual. No language required. But, again, the plan comes first.
 
When you say section 2 do you mean the second step? if thats the case then i already know what i like , i plan to play on my demo account and trade forex because forex enables me to exercise good bankroll management even with a very small capital , other than that i dont think i have the patience for long term trades , i prefer my trades to end on the next day or in 2-3 days at most , i want to set trades maybe monitor them for some time then wake up next day and collect profits. I think this is called day trading? this is what im doing right now , sometimes i may close my position earlier if i think it is very profitable.

Nevertheless i think that its important for someone to understand the tools he will use on each plan because someone may like some tools more than others and therefore have better results with a different style than the one he likes more.
 
As usual ill likely get crucified for speaking the truth and knocking down those ideas from the market machine that are not in a noobs best interest-- so here it goes.

A trading plan, like a business plan is ludicrous for a beginning under capitalized trader. any fixed plan will be destroyed by the market.

You have two choices--

1. Plunge in and hope your first several trades are nice winners to build your stake.


2. Find a proven mentor to teach you whats working now and follow the mentors directions without question. The key word here is proven. Its hard to hide real success in this business despite what the "humble" teachers proclaim.

Having a trading plan without knowing that it works is ridiculous. Not to mention that the market will morph to take out any fixed plan or system.

Do not pay attention to dubious folks who want to help you with platitudes and other meaningless statements.
 
2. Find a proven mentor to teach you whats working now and follow the mentors directions without question. The key word here is proven. Its hard to hide real success in this business despite what the "humble" teachers proclaim.


I agree with you , finding a coach and have him to teach you personally and ask him about anything is the best thing you can do , i know this from personal experience , books really take a LOT of time to improve you but mentors are far more costly than books but i suppose in such competitive game like trading where you have some veryy tough opponents like big institutions , it may take a lot of time for you to develop some significant edge without personal coaching.


Btw guys , how much does a solid trader is expected to increase on average his capital over the period of one month? i just want to see how much money someone is expected to make from trading assuming he is somewhat good at it.
 
I agree with you , finding a coach and have him to teach you personally and ask him about anything is the best thing you can do , i know this from personal experience , books really take a LOT of time to improve you but mentors are far more costly than books but i suppose in such competitive game like trading where you have some veryy tough opponents like big institutions , it may take a lot of time for you to develop some significant edge without personal coaching.


Btw guys , how much does a solid trader is expected to increase on average his capital over the period of one month? i just want to see how much money someone is expected to make from trading assuming he is somewhat good at it.

The best mentors are free. Beware of mentors who charge you--- while there are likely legit ones, the vast majority are just interested in your money. Here is a good article that explains how you can locate a legit mentor and how to verify that mentor. http://www.jamesaltucher.com/how-do-you-find-a-mentor/

your last question, I would venture that 1-2% per month is outstanding performance for an active trader. surf
 
your last question, I would venture that 1-2% per month is outstanding performance for an active trader. surf

wait , do you mean that if someone has 5000$ starting capital and he is actively daytrading , is it outstanding for him to average 100$ per month? assuming he is excersizing decent money management.

Im really curious how many trades does an active trader make per day? assuming he is a day trader.

I guess the volume of trades one can put into this must be really low therefore the outcome is not that strange but if you are correct then you really need a very big capital to make anything significant over the long run.
 
Last edited:
1. wait , do you mean that if someone has 5000$ starting capital and he is actively daytrading , is it outstanding for him to average 100$ per month? assuming he is excersizing decent money management.

2. Im really curious how many trades does an active trader make per day? assuming he is a day trader.

3. I guess the volume of trades one can put into this must be really low therefore the outcome is not that strange but if you are correct then you really need a very big capital to make anything significant over the long run.

1. Yes, that is outstanding performance if you can do it consistently. However, i think that if you start with small sums you should risk all of it -- going for 100% plus returns-- otherwise its a waste of time. Just understand u can easily lose it all.

2. It varies depending on the strategy 1 to 1000 plus per day.

3. Yes, money is your "raw material". You need substantial sums just to earn an average middle class living.

I posted the wrong link about mentors from my friend James A. Here is the full article. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ultimate-guide-finding-mentor-james-altucher

Right now, 100% of your effort should be devoted to finding a mentor.

surf
 
Back
Top