Is Trading Itself a Bad Trade? I Analyzed the Industry- Prove Me Wrong

[cityboy12]

Perhaps its a male thing, our egos dont like to admit trading is financially a losing trade by the vast majority.

This is another area that I am researching, behavioural finance.

Perhaps, 'the numbers' are not what reward the majority of people. Rather the motivation is the competition, challenge, their fantasies, their ego and the feeling of winning (endorfins, testosterone, dopamine etc)? In which I case a smart marketer could market a hedge fund or investment in such a way that it provides clients with a feeling of accomplishment, exclusivity and 'winning' without necessarily producing any tangible results? Then again, in a way, the top hedge funds do this already at some level.

I would argue that, to profit financially, however, and pay the bills you have to trade but trade in the right way...find trades with the right risk/reward ratio ...and do it consistently. This requires an understanding of your own emotions (and those of others).

 

[speedo]

Perhaps its a male thing, our egos dont like to admit trading is financially a losing trade by the vast majority.

The problem Mickey is nobody can define "vast majority", a lot of people pull numbers out of their ass but retail trading is not subject to public disclosure. Extrapolations often come from closed accounts but I blew up three on the way and am highly unlikely to be unique. Bottom line, if you can't trade...don't, but this kind of shit is laughable among those who can.

 

[El OchoCinco]

ITPM Thailand Trader Mentoring Program held in April and October each year for 10 days followed by 12 weeks of Remote Mentoring.

Private one on one time at a Thailand bath house... sounds on the up and up....

 

[schweiz]

Perhaps its a male thing, our egos dont like to admit trading is financially a losing trade by the vast majority.

I have no clue anymore what ego is, as mine was destroyed the first years on the road to profitability.

The only thing that matters to me is if I make money. Only I can change my profits/losses. The fact that the vast majority loses money does not change anything for my situation.

The vast majority in the world is poor, only a small group is rich. Not different from trading.

 

[speedo]

Private one on one time at a Thailand bath house... sounds on the up and up....

 

[d08]

Not many ET supporters of what cityboy is saying, but I agree in principal with most of it.

I think it's the method of how he is demanding proof as if random people owe him something and failing to provide this, he is automatically proven right. I will agree that trading is by far not one of the easiest businesses to operate and only a tiny minority stay profitable in the longer run. People recently have been asking me if they should start trading, often with excitement in their eyes (greed in their mind), I typically advise against it as there are many many easier businesses to get into.

 

[themickey]

In order to trade successfully one must be totally focused and no distractions.
The reality is, for sole traders this is nigh on impossible.

 

[cityboy12]

OK...I am not promoting Anton Kreil and do not know him. I have no financial interest in this thread (am not seeking a mentor, am not selling a course or book or anything else). I happen to agree with a lot of what he says at the beginning of his presentation and only saw the video earlier today.

He does have an institutional trading background in JP Morgan, Goldman and Lehman brothers if you check the FCA register but this was from some years ago.

https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000LURNxAAP

In general I encourage nobody to pay anyone to learn to trade unless you see their P&L and also calculate your risk/reward compared to trade or med school or a CPA or STEM degree, for example. Ideally, pay them on a performance fee basis.

 

[speedo]

In order to trade successfully one must be totally focused and no distractions.
The reality is, for sole traders this is nigh on impossible.

Similar dynamic to losing that 20 pounds, quitting smoking, learning a new language, regularly working out....one can either summon the will or one can't.....most don't.

 

[themickey]

Similar dynamic to losing that 20 pounds, quitting smoking, learning a new language, regularly working out....one can either summon the will or one can't.....most don't.

It's not that, it's distractions like phone ringing, car breaks down, very minor things that play out continually.