is this what we have to look towards government healthcare

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This mismatch of need and supply exacerbates the overstretch experiences by many units, which are often turning away mothers in labour, he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8439360.stm


Sounds bad.
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If dead infants is your concern you may be interested to know that Britain has a significantly lower child and infant mortality (perinatal mortality) than the US.

If dead infants are not your concern, or not significant enough of a concern to be worried about the count of actual dead infants, then maternal mortality (dead mothers dying due to childbirth) may still be of interest to you. It's almost certainly higher in the US by as much as 50% (as high as 11/100000 in the US).
 
how many t baggers on medicare have started to boycott it and pay their own way now?how many again???
Infant mortality here is higher than any other country with govt healthcare.
Meanwhile we rank 37th in the world for healthcare-right behind slovenia?
 
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If dead infants is your concern you may be interested to know that Britain has a significantly lower child and infant mortality (perinatal mortality) than the US.

If dead infants are not your concern, or not significant enough of a concern to be worried about the count of actual dead infants, then maternal mortality (dead mothers dying due to childbirth) may still be of interest to you. It's almost certainly higher in the US by as much as 50% (as high as 11/100000 in the US).
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This is like trying to argue that having home owners insurance will actually prevent the fire.
 
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If dead infants is your concern you may be interested to know that Britain has a significantly lower child and infant mortality (perinatal mortality) than the US.

If dead infants are not your concern, or not significant enough of a concern to be worried about the count of actual dead infants, then maternal mortality (dead mothers dying due to childbirth) may still be of interest to you. It's almost certainly higher in the US by as much as 50% (as high as 11/100000 in the US).
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Now if only all countries counted live births the same way!!

In the US, we follow WHO guidelines and report all infant deaths. In some countries, if the infant is below a certain weight, it doesn't get counted. It's like comparing apples to oranges. In fact the US saves more pre-term babies than any other country. Some countries just don't bother with preemies.

Of course with Obamacare, this problem will just go away...........


Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday.
Sarah Capewell begged them to save her tiny son, who was born just 21 weeks and five days into her pregnancy - almost four months early.

They ignored her pleas and allegedly told her they were following national guidelines that babies born before 22 weeks should not be given medical treatment.

Miss Capewell, 23, said doctors refused to even see her son Jayden, who lived for almost two hours without any medical support.

http://www.dail*****.co.uk/news/art...gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html
 
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Meanwhile we rank 37th in the world for healthcare-right behind slovenia?
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I always love this one. Yeah are our health care is a a little bit better than Slovenia. LOL, seriously.


And no need to post a graph.

:D
 
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This is like trying to argue that having home owners insurance will actually prevent the fire.
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No, this is like arguing that a car with insurance is more likely to get service. Or a coconut with hair on it...

Wait. Why not discuss the point, that insurance tends to mean more preventative care?
 
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Now if only all countries counted live births the same way!!

In the US, we follow WHO guidelines and report all infant deaths. In some countries, if the infant is below a certain weight, it doesn't get counted. It's like comparing apples to oranges. In fact the US saves more pre-term babies than any other country. Some countries just don't bother with preemies.
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Here's the perinatal mortality rates from WHO, adjusted for term, listed by country (notice how Canada brings the US average up):

<http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2006/9241563206_eng.pdf>

It also contains the neonatal mortality rate, which is also lower for Canada than the US. And the UK is lower than the US.

The neonatal rate is adjusted for pre-term births.

So, in short, here's what we know:

The US is not, in fact, number one in the world for anything.

More babies die after birth in the US.

More babies die before birth in the US.

More mothers die during birth in the US.

Of course with Obamacare, this problem will just go away...........
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Perhaps. Perhaps not. However, the Republican policy of "no changes" will not alleviate the problem.
 
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No, this is like arguing that a car with insurance is more likely to get service. Or a coconut with hair on it...

Wait. Why not discuss the point, that insurance tends to mean more preventative care?
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tends to?

You need to work on your salesmanship.

I know plenty of people with insurance now who refuse to go in for 'preventative' care.

This health care debate has nothing to do with health care.
 
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