Is this the kind of people you want running our country???

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

The point is that Christians, particularly evangelicals, follow a doctrine that preaches love thy neighbor. Muslims, even the peaceful ones, follow a doctrine that advocates aggressive expansion through military means if necessary and domination of non believers.


you are way WAY OFF.... if I cared just a little bit more... I would post link after link of evangelicals preaching hate... punishing or even hurting others that dont see things their way.... just like that clip i posted of that fat ugly bitch, doing Gods work by terrorising small children about how Harry Porter would be put to death....

But im tired of arguing
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Muslims, even the peaceful ones, follow a doctrine that advocates aggressive expansion through military means if necessary and domination of non believers.

I formerly lived on a predominately Muslim street in the Kensington section of Brooklyn, NY. I can assure you that my neighbors directed very little energy toward dominating my white ass.
 
Quote from Yannis:

Check out the US business tax rates, I'm sure I'm right, ours are much higher than competitors for our manufacturing and assembly shops. Do that and you're soon left with lots of "bitter" people that Obama was ridiculing.

Well you're definitely not right. The US has some of the lowest business taxes in the world. Here's an article from KPMG about it:

http://www.kpmg.com/global/pressroom/pressreleases/pages/Hugevariationinbusiness.aspx

Bush sent back tax money we had paid and lowered taxes at the same rate that we were paying - no wealth redistribution, just tax reduction across the board.

Also not correct. Bush sent you your kids' money that hasn't been paid by them yet, which now has to be paid back with interest.

Taxation is one issue for the Congress to legislate on. Wealth redistribution is another, totally different that should be discussed separately. The Dems want to hide the latter in something that sounds like the former - terrible idea.

The wealth redistribution already happened -- here's a graph:

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/03/17/1928-resemblances/
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

The point is that Christians, particularly evangelicals, follow a doctrine that preaches love thy neighbor.

I'm reading your posts and that's not the message you're conveying. You're conveying that the neighbor is evil so we need to be afraid of him and kill him.

Muslims, even the peaceful ones, follow a doctrine that advocates aggressive expansion through military means if necessary and domination of non believers.

Your analogy is like saying a nuclear bomb and a light bulb are equally dangerous because they both give off light.

Well I can't see a huge difference between the bombing in Oklahoma by a fundamentalist, the shooting of abortion doctors by fundamentalists, or the hijacking of planes on 9/11 by fundamentalists.

All tell us that they're right, that they're pure, fighting for peace.
 
Quote from bigdavediode:

The guy who shot up a Unitarian Church was a Republican who wrote two pages on how he wanted to kill "liberals."

Timothy McVeigh, who was a registered Republican and a member of the NRA, decided to blow up a federal building.

George Bush, with the support of the Republican party, declared war on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, killing hundreds of thousands, creating four million refugees in defense of the "flypaper theory" that it would attract the worst of the worst to another country and put its civilians in the middle.

However, these are just a small fraction of Christian fundamentalists, just as the Muslim extremists are just a small fraction of Muslim fundamentalists.

So no, I don't see any difference.

McVeigh was a nominal Christian-not a church goer-who was motivated by his hatred of America for our participation in the Gulf War.

Bush and the war huh? How many Democrats have you voted for President who supported the Iraq war?

Let's look at comments by the guy you ardently supported in 2004, Sen. John Kerry:

July 29, 2002 - Kerry endorses the Bush plan in Iraq, stating,” I agree completely with this Administration's goal of a regime change in Iraq ... Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech To The 2002 DLC National Conversation, New York, NY, 7/29/02)

March 19, 2003 – Kerry continues his support of the war: “I think Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that's why I voted to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him.” (“All Things Considered”, 3/19/03)


Sept. 14, 2003 – Kerry asserts, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." (CBS's Face the Nation, 9/14/03)

Oct. 17, 2003 - Kerry votes against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction Package - $87 Billion Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Security. (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay)

March 16, 2004 - Kerry responds to criticism regarind his Oct. 2003 vote: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." [appearance at Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia]

Aug. 9, 2004 - Answering a direct question from President Bush on whether he would still have cast his vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq "even knowing what we now know", John Kerry replied, "I would have voted for the authority... I believe it was the right authority for the President to have." (Sen. John Kerry, remarks in Arizona, 8/9/04)

Sept. 6, 2004 - Kerry calls the Iraq War "Wrong War In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time." "Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry on Monday called the invasion of Iraq ‘the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time' and said his goal was to withdraw U.S. troops in a first White House term." (Patricia Wilson, "Kerry On Iraq: ‘Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time'," Reuters, 9/6/04)

Sept. 21, 2004 Kerry says, "I have one position on Iraq."

"You know education," he said, "if you make the most of it, and you study hard, and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Perhaps though it Was John Edwards who was the person on the ticket who got you hard. He does that to people.

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan Resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability.

Democracy will not spring up by itself overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated society that's suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis, including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds, deserve to be represented. This is not just a moral imperative. It's a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner, and such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world."

Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
Speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
October 7, 2002
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

McVeigh was a nominal Christian-not a church goer-who was motivated by his hatred of America for our participation in the Gulf War.

Okay. Not-so-coincidentally, Osama is seen as a nominal Muslim.

Bush and the war huh? How many Democrats have you voted for President who supported the Iraq war?

Not sure what you mean by this, but yes, I classify an unjustified war that kills hundreds of thousands as evil, whether or not the Democrats support it. Evil doesn't change depending on who supports something.

If Abel had turned around and said "Hey, Cain's right about this" it wouldn't have changed the nature of the act.


Let's look at comments by the guy you ardently supported in 2004, Sen. John Kerry:

I did? Wow, I never knew that. I knew I didn't support Bush, but no, sadly, I don't fit into your caricature.

"You know education," he said, "if you make the most of it, and you study hard, and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

I can't blame the Democrats as much, given the NIE's they were given that have since been revealed to have been altered by the White House. But again, evil is evil no matter who supports it.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

The point is that Christians, particularly evangelicals, follow a doctrine that preaches love thy neighbor. Muslims, even the peaceful ones, follow a doctrine that advocates aggressive expansion through military means if necessary and domination of non believers.

Your analogy is like saying a nuclear bomb and a light bulb are equally dangerous because they both give off light.

lol. I live in Michigan, and I've never once had a muslim ever approach me or initiate a conversation about religion.

We have quite a few business conferences where Jews, Gentiles, Muslims, Evangelicals all mingle.

I have had Evangelicals get up in 'my grill' rather aggressively, however, even after I let them know in no uncertain terms that I'm Jewish (although not orthodox).
 
Quote from iceman1:

...I literally had trouble falling asleep last night from worry when I heard the McBush/Mooseburger ticket was ahead in some polls
Get used to it man, buy a lot of sleeping pills, we're here to stay and coming to get you... at night!! :)
 
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