Joe had to unleash Kamala on AZ and WV to whip Manchin and Sinema back in line though.
Is this the Biden Top?
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And don't forget the canned beans!
Where were you on January 6?
Fact check: Biden wrong about inflation-adjusted minimum wage
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-biden-wrong-about-inflation-adjusted-minimum-wage/19544303/
During a CNN town hall in Wisconsin, Joe Biden misstated an argument in favor of raising the minimum wage.
Biden and many other Democrats support a phased-in minimum-wage hike to $15 an hour. That would be a significant increase from the current $7.25, a level that has been steady since 2009.
Biden’s American Rescue Plan includes the wage hike to $15, though it’s unclear whether that provision will be included in the relief legislation now working its way through Congress.
During the town hall, a member of the audience asked Biden about the wage hike proposal,
"Given the lower cost of living specifically in the Midwest, many business owners are concerned that this will put them out of business, forcing them to downsize or cut benefits," the audience member said. "How can you instill confidence in small businesses that this will benefit the Midwest business growth?"
Biden said it was reasonable for small business owners to worry about the impact, but he sought to reassure the questioner that the positive impacts would outweigh the negative ones if the change was made gradually.
"Here’s the deal," Biden said. "It’s about doing it gradually, where it’s (currently) $7.25 an hour. No one should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty. But it’s totally legitimate for small business owners to be concerned about how that changes.
"If we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now," Biden said.
But Biden muffed his talking point.
Using the inflation calculator operated by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, $7.25 in 2009 would be worth about $8.98 in 2021, which is well short of $20.
Even if you indexed the minimum wage that had the most purchasing power in history — $1.60 in 1968 — the inflation-adjusted value today would be $12.27, and that’s still short of $20.
The White House said Biden should have referenced a different method of equalizing the minimum wage across time — if the minimum wage had been indexed for worker productivity, rather than inflation.
The White House cited a specific blog post from 2020 by Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research.
In the post, Baker wrote that until 1968, the minimum wage did roughly increase in tandem with worker productivity increases. This pattern, he said, broke down after 1968, with worker productivity consistently rising but the value of the minimum wage declining.
"The distinction between inflation and productivity is an important one," Baker wrote. "If the minimum wage rises in step with inflation, we are effectively ensuring that it will allow minimum wage earners to buy the same amount of goods and services through time, protecting them against higher prices. However, if it rises with productivity, that means that, as workers are able to produce more goods and services per hour on average, minimum wage earners will be able to buy more goods and services through time."
In the post, Baker calculated that if the minimum wage had risen in step with productivity growth since 1968, "it would be over $24 an hour today."
Baker told PolitiFact that "the inflation adjustment can be calculated in different ways, but I can't see any way you get to $20 an hour in 2021."
PolitiFact ruling
Biden said that "if we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now."
Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would have produced a wage today between $8.98 and $12.27, depending on which year you started the indexing. That’s well short of the $20 Biden said.
The White House said Biden should have said that if the minimum wage had been indexed to worker productivity, it would be at $20 an hour today. That’s close to the $24 estimated by a liberal economist, but that’s not what Biden said.
We rate the statement False.
Not sure why you posted this in reply to me. I posted a couple of weeks ago about the disconnect between wages and productivity, not wages and inflation. My point here was that the claim about all the job losses because of minimum wage hikes should mean, at this stage, we should have zero minimum wage jobs left. Obviously something else is going on.Fact check: Biden wrong about inflation-adjusted minimum wage
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-biden-wrong-about-inflation-adjusted-minimum-wage/19544303/
During a CNN town hall in Wisconsin, Joe Biden misstated an argument in favor of raising the minimum wage.
Biden and many other Democrats support a phased-in minimum-wage hike to $15 an hour. That would be a significant increase from the current $7.25, a level that has been steady since 2009.
Biden’s American Rescue Plan includes the wage hike to $15, though it’s unclear whether that provision will be included in the relief legislation now working its way through Congress.
During the town hall, a member of the audience asked Biden about the wage hike proposal,
"Given the lower cost of living specifically in the Midwest, many business owners are concerned that this will put them out of business, forcing them to downsize or cut benefits," the audience member said. "How can you instill confidence in small businesses that this will benefit the Midwest business growth?"
Biden said it was reasonable for small business owners to worry about the impact, but he sought to reassure the questioner that the positive impacts would outweigh the negative ones if the change was made gradually.
"Here’s the deal," Biden said. "It’s about doing it gradually, where it’s (currently) $7.25 an hour. No one should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty. But it’s totally legitimate for small business owners to be concerned about how that changes.
"If we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now," Biden said.
But Biden muffed his talking point.
Using the inflation calculator operated by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, $7.25 in 2009 would be worth about $8.98 in 2021, which is well short of $20.
Even if you indexed the minimum wage that had the most purchasing power in history — $1.60 in 1968 — the inflation-adjusted value today would be $12.27, and that’s still short of $20.
The White House said Biden should have referenced a different method of equalizing the minimum wage across time — if the minimum wage had been indexed for worker productivity, rather than inflation.
The White House cited a specific blog post from 2020 by Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research.
In the post, Baker wrote that until 1968, the minimum wage did roughly increase in tandem with worker productivity increases. This pattern, he said, broke down after 1968, with worker productivity consistently rising but the value of the minimum wage declining.
"The distinction between inflation and productivity is an important one," Baker wrote. "If the minimum wage rises in step with inflation, we are effectively ensuring that it will allow minimum wage earners to buy the same amount of goods and services through time, protecting them against higher prices. However, if it rises with productivity, that means that, as workers are able to produce more goods and services per hour on average, minimum wage earners will be able to buy more goods and services through time."
In the post, Baker calculated that if the minimum wage had risen in step with productivity growth since 1968, "it would be over $24 an hour today."
Baker told PolitiFact that "the inflation adjustment can be calculated in different ways, but I can't see any way you get to $20 an hour in 2021."
PolitiFact ruling
Biden said that "if we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now."
Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would have produced a wage today between $8.98 and $12.27, depending on which year you started the indexing. That’s well short of the $20 Biden said.
The White House said Biden should have said that if the minimum wage had been indexed to worker productivity, it would be at $20 an hour today. That’s close to the $24 estimated by a liberal economist, but that’s not what Biden said.
We rate the statement False.
What really has to be factored in when we talk about the minimum wage is the government benefits that subsidizes these employers workers.
As an additional cost to the government for carrying them, I agree.
It is going to be adjusted gradually over a number of years to 15, which will probably be just about right by the time we get there, because we are going to have some inflation in our future. I think you've forgot that 7.25 in 2009 was way way way way to low. The 1960 number adjusted is good as a goal, recognizing there is always error in these inflation adjustments. So if we could go to between 12 and 13/hr tomorrow that would be somewhere approaching reasonable, but that's too big a jump all at once of course, too disruptive. Fifteen, on the schedule that's being proposed, looks just about perfect to me.Fact check: Biden wrong about inflation-adjusted minimum wage
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-biden-wrong-about-inflation-adjusted-minimum-wage/19544303/
During a CNN town hall in Wisconsin, Joe Biden misstated an argument in favor of raising the minimum wage.
Biden and many other Democrats support a phased-in minimum-wage hike to $15 an hour. That would be a significant increase from the current $7.25, a level that has been steady since 2009.
Biden’s American Rescue Plan includes the wage hike to $15, though it’s unclear whether that provision will be included in the relief legislation now working its way through Congress.
During the town hall, a member of the audience asked Biden about the wage hike proposal,
"Given the lower cost of living specifically in the Midwest, many business owners are concerned that this will put them out of business, forcing them to downsize or cut benefits," the audience member said. "How can you instill confidence in small businesses that this will benefit the Midwest business growth?"
Biden said it was reasonable for small business owners to worry about the impact, but he sought to reassure the questioner that the positive impacts would outweigh the negative ones if the change was made gradually.
"Here’s the deal," Biden said. "It’s about doing it gradually, where it’s (currently) $7.25 an hour. No one should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty. But it’s totally legitimate for small business owners to be concerned about how that changes.
"If we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now," Biden said.
But Biden muffed his talking point.
Using the inflation calculator operated by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, $7.25 in 2009 would be worth about $8.98 in 2021, which is well short of $20.
Even if you indexed the minimum wage that had the most purchasing power in history — $1.60 in 1968 — the inflation-adjusted value today would be $12.27, and that’s still short of $20.
The White House said Biden should have referenced a different method of equalizing the minimum wage across time — if the minimum wage had been indexed for worker productivity, rather than inflation.
The White House cited a specific blog post from 2020 by Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research.
In the post, Baker wrote that until 1968, the minimum wage did roughly increase in tandem with worker productivity increases. This pattern, he said, broke down after 1968, with worker productivity consistently rising but the value of the minimum wage declining.
"The distinction between inflation and productivity is an important one," Baker wrote. "If the minimum wage rises in step with inflation, we are effectively ensuring that it will allow minimum wage earners to buy the same amount of goods and services through time, protecting them against higher prices. However, if it rises with productivity, that means that, as workers are able to produce more goods and services per hour on average, minimum wage earners will be able to buy more goods and services through time."
In the post, Baker calculated that if the minimum wage had risen in step with productivity growth since 1968, "it would be over $24 an hour today."
Baker told PolitiFact that "the inflation adjustment can be calculated in different ways, but I can't see any way you get to $20 an hour in 2021."
PolitiFact ruling
Biden said that "if we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now."
Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would have produced a wage today between $8.98 and $12.27, depending on which year you started the indexing. That’s well short of the $20 Biden said.
The White House said Biden should have said that if the minimum wage had been indexed to worker productivity, it would be at $20 an hour today. That’s close to the $24 estimated by a liberal economist, but that’s not what Biden said.
We rate the statement False.
I prefer another mechanism, other than a legislated minimum wage, but it's a more socialist way of handling things, so there is no chance my preference would be ever be adopted. It would have the advantage, however, of eliminating food stamps, unemployment, the earned income credit, indirect government subsidy of low corporate wages, and the minimum wage. Life doesn't have to be as complicated as it is.
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So how long until you call the top again?