Is there any reason why technical analysis would work

When people buy/sell, they leave a visual footprint, so to speak, on the charts. Some footprints are meaningless, some are useful.

When you begin to recognize this, you begin to see within the charts where the buying/selling is. And when you become more adept, you begin to see when these footprints are emerging and developing prior to big moves.

Quote from nycderivtrader:

I'd like to hear some of you explain to me just one-

Is there any reason why technical analysis would ever work, other than people believing in it working? The only reason I consider technical indicators is because some people use them for their investment decisions.

Fundamental is useful in finding the true value of the underlying.

I'd like to just hear about this from some people who simply use technical......

nycdt
 
Historically, the efforts of Dow laid the foundations for the subsequent work in evolving the P, V relationship.

All of TA follows this.

I guess this is why prediciting is not necessary.

If you want to chack yourself out a little, tke the time to find all the examples of formations and see how they flawlessly follow the P, V relation.

Other really important things to get in synch with are how various people came up with the variety of indicators that they did.

I spent my time personalizing things so I knew where the cycle was; what was coming next in the cycle and how fast it was changing.

My reward seems to be that i have short lists of stocks for each part of the cycle. The most helpful ones turn out to be the one's related to upcoming break outs.

Before you use TA for making money,you need to select a universe to apply it to.

That involves culling. To cull it is more a matter of a form of TA that puts all the stocks out there in slots. After that you just use TA to appraise their potential for making money.
 
Quote from OldTrader:



When you use the term "work" as applied to technical analysis, I think you begin with the wrong premise.

We all look at prices. Those prices give you information. That information may lead you to draw a conclusion about the future. If you act on that conclusion, and act incorrectly, then you might think that technical analysis does not "work"...when in actually, what does not work may well be your thought processes.

But certainly prices give you information. For instance, let's imagine the price trading between 990 and 1000. As the prices travel between these two boundaries, we might conclude that the buyers step in to buy at 990, and the sellers step in to sell at 1000. This is information.

Then one day, the price moves past 1000. More information. Evidently the sellers are no longer willing or able to sell at 1000. Or perhaps the buyers have bought all of their offerings at 1000. This gives you information that for the time being demand has exceeded supply at a previous point of contention. From this you might conclude that the price is headed to some higher point where sellers are willing to make a stand once again. Meanwhile, you may also conclude that the 1000 area will be an area where all those people who sold at 1000 in the past may be willing to buy.

Now notice we are not talking about whether "it works". We're talking about information, and conclusions based on the information.

Going on, we have concluded that the 1000 area was an area where buyers eventually overwhelmed sellers. But the market is not always easy. Sometimes it moves back down through 1000. Now if that were to happen, you might throw your hands up and say "it doesn't work". But again, the price is simply giving you information. It was temporarily true that buyers overwhelmed sellers at 1000. But then they evidently ran out of steam, and the sellers reemerged. More information. The sellers were able to move the price back down through 1000. You might conclude from this that the sellers are back in charge. In fact, you might conclude that the buyers are in trouble in that they were unable to defend an important point.

But again, it's not a question of "whether it works". Its a question of information, drawing conclusions from that information, acting on the conclusions, knowing that such action is based on information which may change in the future and lead you in a different direction.

The point of technical analysis is to discern information and draw a conclusion which will lead you to an action at an important point. If that action turns out to be incorrect, you will know it, and will know what to do as a result.

There is no holy grail however....not technical, not fundamental. If everyone agreed on the underlying fundamentals, then there would be no trading. High cash on the balance sheet may lead you to conclude that there is "value". But if that cash cannot be employed in a business that generates profit, then ultimately the business will eat the cash, and the value will not be there, thus rendering your conclusion wrong.

There we are again, conclusion, action, results. Doesn't make much difference which method you use, technical or fundamental, as long as you have a way to recognize information, draw conclusions, and then recognize when you're wrong.

OldTrader



WHAT AN ELOQUENT STATEMENT! HOW TOTALLY TRUE!

THANKS!

PAUL
 
That was a classic!!! :)

It is very simple for me, if T/A did not work I would not be here. I would not be taking nice profits each week from trading the ES, and I would have quit this trading lifestyle a long time ago. T/A and my evolving studies of it have allowed me to turn the corner and become consistent in my trading over the past year. I see T/A as a set of tools to visually interpret the behaviors of price action during periods of time. I use T/A as many do, to enter and exit trades with the awareness of significant price action levels and the behavior of price between these levels.
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

That was a classic!!! :)

It is very simple for me, if T/A did not work I would not be here. I would not be taking nice profits each week from trading the ES, and I would have quit this trading lifestyle a long time ago. T/A and my evolving studies of it have allowed me to turn the corner and become consistent in my trading over the past year. I see T/A as a set of tools to visually interpret the behaviors of price action during periods of time. I use T/A as many do, to enter and exit trades with the awareness of significant price action levels and the behavior of price between these levels.

Obviously, you are a paper trader... but it's good you're a good analyst...

Hey, on the bright side... I work at 2 McDonalds because they don't like to pay overtime... LOL...
 
then you would not have to work at McDonalds! BTW, could you please keep the damn onions of my burger from now on! :mad:

I would not be leaving my job at Southwest Airlines if I was only paper trading! :eek: January 22, 2004 "Independence Day"
I am building a house here in Austin, Texas (I also have a house in "The Lakes" development in Las Vegas if you ever want to meet up for some blackjack fun), and after I close on the house I am done working at SWA. SWA is a great company to work for, but changing a CFM 56-7 engine at 01:00 am for a 06:30 gate time on a 737-700 is getting old! When you sweat your ass off for 18 years in the middle of the night as an Aircraft Maintenance Technician, you become highly motivated on how to trade profitably. When I sign "my name" to the aircraft records for maintenance tasks completed (about 10 to 20 a night), and "my name" is flying around day after day on all those aircraft logbooks, it tends to make a person think that there is a better way to make a living. Leave your family home alone every night year after year while at work and see if you can find the motivation to figure out profitable trading. For me, this decision was simple, learn to trade or work for someone else building up their dreams with my life until I am 60. NO PROBLEM...I will take the trading route!

BTW, hurry up on that #3 and I want that with a coke! :eek:
 
Now I can tell you something about insomnia! It was only my day off last night and I was up all night...just the usual for me...damn what great motivation!
 
Quote from nycderivtrader:

I'd like to hear some of you explain to me just one-

Is there any reason why technical analysis would ever work, other than people believing in it working? The only reason I consider technical indicators is because some people use them for their investment decisions.

Fundamental is useful in finding the true value of the underlying.

I'd like to just hear about this from some people who simply use technical......

nycdt

I've seen the same question asked about why fundamental analysis "works". The key, IMO, to this question is: How do you find the "true" value a stock?

For example, if a stock earns around a $1.00 per share what is it worth? Looking through the quotes, the P/Es for similar stocks varies widely. For example, looking at stocks with an EPS of between $1.00 and $1.25 we find P/E ratios that vary from 1.5 all the way up to 57. Doesn't seem to be any useful information there.

Now I know there are other factors such as growth rates that influence the P/E. Screening for stocks that have positive earnings shows, well nothing. The P/E's are all over the place. Some stocks with -25% or worse growth rates have some of the highest P/Es. While some of the stocks with the highest growth rates have the lowest PE's. Adding the projected growth rates doesn't help either.

Dividends don't seem to mean much either as many REITs have great dividends but very low P/Es. IMO, among them are some of the best stocks to own long term.

My point is how do you place a value on the fundamental parameters. I don't know how, and I'm not sure anyone else does. That is why we have a stock market. A stocks price is determined by the market. How do we see what the market is doing-well I think that is what we call technical analyses.

Some of the highest paid people equipped with the most sophisticated computer programs in the investment business, mutual fund managers, are paid (Well, I think that is why they pull the big bucks) to do this, find stocks that are undervalued. However, as a group they do not do as well as an unmanaged index fund. And, in addition to their overall underperformance, they charge you pretty big fees to underperform. Kinda sounds like the Mets baseball team.

DS
 
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