Is there an order in the Universe?

[acronym]

"The helicopters, are in new york..
No need for words now,
the silence, .............."

 

[acronym]

PJ HARVEY
The Mess We're In

Can you hear them?
The helicopters?
I'm in New York
No need for words now
We sit in silence
You look me in the eye directly
You met me
I think it's Wednesday
The evening, the mess we're in

The city sun sets over me
The city sun sets over me

Night and day
I dream of
Making love to you now baby
Love making on screen
Impossible dream
And I have seen
The sunrise over the river
The freeway, reminding of
This mess we're in

The city sun sets over me
The city sun sets over me

What were you wanting?
I just want to say
Don't ever change
And thank you
I don't think we will meet again
I really must leave now
Before the sunrise
Above skyscrapers
The sin and
This mess we're in

The city sun sets over me
The city sun sets over me




I pity the fool!!!

 

[hcour]

Yes - I see miracles every day.

Yes - There is only randomness and chaos.

Life is indeed miraculous, and only more so because of its randomness. Mankind was very lucky it worked out the way it did:

"I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."

H

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Why did God make viruses?

 

[john dough]

Yes, there is an order in the universe, and I can prove it:

"I'll have pastrami on toasted rye, with deli mustard, swiss and lettuce -- and, a cream soda!"

There, now wasn't that easy?

 

[jem]

yes there is an order in the universe.

Check out the anthropic principle in wikipedia - and do the research.

Check out the odds of the universe existing based on the constant lamda. Understand that this is not a complexity argument. Because we are not just dealing with random flips of a coin but we are saying this is the only way we could exist and we do.

Then if you do not believe it, understand why Hawking and other major phsicists are proposing that we must have infinite other universeses with billions with multiple copies of us in them.

Then realize they are proposing this untestable unfalsifiable hypothesis because they can not accept that we are very very very "lucky" to be here -- which is tantamount to admiting we were designed.

Seriously if you spend time learning the debate - you will see that based on current scientific knowledge the better argument is our universe was designed.

Now this may change with new knowledge but I doubt it.

 

[jzlucas]

Quote from jem:

the better argument is our universe was designed.

The universe may be designed... but by what? Science has clearly argued/ proven that any current "holy books" can't possibly be "the truth".

 

[version77]

Quote from jzlucas:

The universe may be designed... but by what?

The Universe must of designed itself. Or a God designed itself and
then designed the Universe.

But how could a God design itself? And when did this happen?

And has the "designer" been here forever? Or did he come from a
deep sleep?

Maybe ALIENS designed our Universe...

Or the Universe designed itself. Which makes the Universe "God".

So we are all part of "God"...


Or maybe Nature abhors a vacuum. So when the nothingless Universe got
tired of being "nothing", it blew up in anger and became the
random, chaotic Universe that it is.

 

[stu]

"The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." - Richard Dawkins

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from jem:

yes there is an order in the universe.

Check out the anthropic principle in wikipedia - and do the research.

Check out the odds of the universe existing based on the constant lamda. Understand that this is not a complexity argument. Because we are not just dealing with random flips of a coin but we are saying this is the only way we could exist and we do.

Then if you do not believe it, understand why Hawking and other major phsicists are proposing that we must have infinite other universeses with billions with multiple copies of us in them.

Then realize they are proposing this untestable unfalsifiable hypothesis because they can not accept that we are very very very "lucky" to be here -- which is tantamount to admiting we were designed.

Seriously if you spend time learning the debate - you will see that based on current scientific knowledge the better argument is our universe was designed.

Now this may change with new knowledge but I doubt it.

This is the worst explanation of the anthropic principle I have ever seen. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Take, for example, the case of lotteries. The chance of anyone winning a multimillion dollar jackpot is somewhere in the neighborhood of one in several million (no surprise ). The chance of one person winning such jackpots twice is nearly zero - impossible if you count that there are only about a few billion people on earth.

However, someone winning twice happened pretty frequently (do a search on google). According to your interpretation of the antropic principle, the only way to explain it is that there was a design (i.e., all of these people cheated). A careful analysis would show that this could indeed happen by pure chance!