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Is there a fundamental flaw in leftist/marxist thinking?
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Quote from Hello:
Is there a fundamental flaw in leftist/marxist thinking? I dont understand why most liberals can not put 2 and 2 together. Leftist thinking seems to entail rasing taxes so that a bunch of people who do not produce anything can live. Do liberals actually believe that a philosophy which rewards people who do nothing will incentivise job growth?
I have seen many insane statements from liberals over the years i have been on ET, but some stand out much more then others. Gabfly1 has actually had the audacity to come on this site and ridicule the laffer curve. You would have to be half retarded to believe you can just up taxes and take in an equal amount of revenues in the age of E-Commerce.
My theory is that if you actually believe that there is no max benefit to taxing the shit out of people, you should be locked in an asylum. Why on earth would someone work their ass off if there was no benefit for them. Especially in the age of E-Commerce, Omegapoint actually made a post insinuating the fact that "not paying maximum taxes was somehow unpatriotic."
Liberals adamantly deny religion, while they believe in evolution. Isnt the quintessential element of evolution survival of the fittest?
Under the rules of evolution the strongest genes are passed on from generation to generation, and the weak genes die. So why is it that liberals insist on supporting dead weight? Shouldnt the laws of evolution deem that those who are not capable of making something of themselves should die off?
Liberalism/socialism/marxism doesnt seem to have any logical argument based on reality.
First explain why you equate liberalism with marxism. Also, cite something that says liberals, as a whole, deny religion. I remember, unlike you, obviously, when religious folks headed south to desegregate it, that the SCLC stood for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and that it was their opponents who were bombing churches and killing innocent children.
Also, I'm not aware of a liberal, or even socialist (elected Western European party) government running anything remotely like a gulag that kills tens of millions for simply not spouting the party line.
If you're willing to drop that false equivalence, that will at least show some sanity. If not, not.
You are mixing bags. The term "liberal" is used in a very different context in Europe than it is in North America. Most of us who have spent time in both civilizations are aware of this. The term "liberal" in europe often, if not usually, is a reference to classic liberalism ( laissez faire economy, optimal individual freedom, minimally invasive government, all govt involvement should be minimal and temporary etc). I, and many North American "Libertarians" are of this persuasion. In america, the left wing hijacked the term "liberal", and turned it into something entirely different. American "liberalism" is more or less socialism, or rather what I call "selective socialism". Where the government intervenes to the degree it wants, when it wants, for how long it wants. It takes over and controls not all industries and means of production, rather just the ones it wants to. It's uninformed at best, and ignorant at worst, to compare European "liberals" to North American "liberals".
The socialist parties of europe are the equivilant of the american democrats in terms of policy, not the "liberal" parties of europe. I guess you wouldn't know this if you haven't lived in the USA and Europe...
The socialist parties of europe are the equivilant of the american democrats in terms of policy, not the "liberal" parties of europe. I guess you wouldn't know this if you haven't lived in the USA and Europe...
Quote from trefoil:
First explain why you equate liberalism with marxism. Also, cite something that says liberals, as a whole, deny religion. I remember, unlike you, obviously, when religious folks headed south to desegregate it, that the SCLC stood for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and that it was their opponents who were bombing churches and killing innocent children.
Also, I'm not aware of a liberal, or even socialist (elected Western European party) government running anything remotely like a gulag that kills tens of millions for simply not spouting the party line.
If you're willing to drop that false equivalence, that will at least show some sanity. If not, not.
Quote from hermit:
Is there a fundamental flaw in rightwing/fascist thinking?
things like "fascist" and "racist" substitute for reason with the left... German fascists were internally socialists and externally anti-communist, they believed that people are the children of nature, not children of God, they believed that the state owns the children and the schools should be places for indoctrinating children... and guess what? That is the Democratic Party in the US!!
I really laugh at the evolution thingy where they say that the strata is calibrated by the geologic column and that column is calibrated by the strata... calibration means comparison to a known standard, not a circular reasoning comparison.. that gets an F in Philosophy 101 but an A right down the hall in some other class... nobody can explain how that is!!! And the scientists that buy into all this bullshit throw out about 70-80% of their actual readings on the age of things because it doesn't fit their world view.. and then they tell us they are the smart people and we should really, really, really pay attention to what they say and fund them with our tax monies... and they pile on the bullshit like the global warming data hoax that was uncovered recently... what a bunch of bullshit the left is.. just pure and simple political bullshit with no interest in truth..... all you have to know about the left is that they are incapable of inspecting their own belief system, they are ruthless in acquiring power and they are weak in the face of evil, largely because they can't tell what's evil and what is not...
I dont know of a single true right winger/free market person who would advocate the nationalisation of business, infact 99% would vehemently oppose such a notion. Thus the idea of fascism does not line up with right wing ideology.
Quote from hermit:
So the terms right-wing and fascist are interchangeable?