Is the gov't an economy?

[oldtime]

Quote from piezoe:

Scat, I'd be surprised if there is reliable evidence of this.

If you changed your statement to read "...then take a low paying job" I'd be far more inclined to agree with you.

The problem is, Scat, that at less than $8 an hour there is no incentive to work if you're qualified for unemployment. It would be very bad for the economy if too many people were actually willing to turn down unemployment compensation to work for such demeaning wages. Capital loves low wages, but if they are too low it is not good for capital in the long run, and eight dollars per hour is too low; despite "America having been built on cheap labor."

The way to get people off the unemployment roles is to force wages to rise! If that isn't done, then your concern about a "permanently unemployed and drawing benefits occupation" being created may become a reality.

the way to get people off the unemployment roles is to say, "We don't give a shit if you are unemployed or not."

Employment is a democratic idea. They want everybody to be an employee. That is the only way they can control them.

Go spend some time down in Mexico. Nobody is unemployed. Even if it as an old woman and her husband collecting fire kindling. You see them about when the sun goes down, and she is worn out, and he has a whole load of wood on his back.

But they are in business for themselves.

I like you piezoe, but I don't like your party's college educated superiority complex. You look down on employees, like they are the less fortunate. Your only solution to your misguided view of man is to form a union.

The other side believes in the dignity of the individual man (or woman.)

 

[nutmeg]

Quote from piezoe:


The way to get people off the unemployment roles is to force wages to rise!

We could raise wages by lowering UE insurance premiums to employers by paying out less in benefits. We could change what circumstances qualify for UE benefits. Fewer people would collect, perhaps more inclined to do a better job at work.

 

[nutmeg]

I had a great idea to force wages higher. (I'm too late though.)

Here's the plan, the tobacco companies could raise the price of a pack of cigarettes by $5 and return the windfall profits to the employees. Aw but no, the Fed and state beat the cos to it.

Using this example though, heck, let's raise the price of anything x dollars and use the money for wage increases. What's the excise tax on a tire $10? Heck add another $5 on the price of a tire and put it in the paycheck.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from nutmeg:

We could raise wages by lowering UE insurance premiums to employers by paying out less in benefits. We could change what circumstances qualify for UE benefits. Fewer people would collect, perhaps more inclined to do a better job at work.

No.

The way to get people off of unemployment benefits... is to change the system to "work or starve". They'd soon get off of their asses.

Unemployeds should be allowed a limited time frame to get another job (not 2 1/2 FARKIN' YEARS!). After that, they go on "subsistence"... "3 hots and a cot". When they've had enough of that, they'll take anything which is better while continuing to look for something better than what they have. That would be good... the American way.

And while on "subsistence", they are not allowed to vote. While on subsistence, they are parasites upon society and not entitled to vote themselves a better quality of life at the expense of others.

 

[oldtime]

Quote from Scataphagos:

No.

The way to get people off of unemployment benefits... is to change the system to "work or starve". They'd soon get off of their asses.

Unemployeds should be allowed a limited time frame to get another job (not 2 1/2 FARKIN' YEARS!). After that, they go on "subsistence"... "3 hots and a cot". When they've had enough of that, they'll take anything which is better while continuing to look for something better than what they have. That would be good... the American way.

And while on "subsistence", they are not allowed to vote. While on subsistence, they are parasites upon society and not entitled to vote themselves a better quality of life at the expense of others.

I know I am on your ignore list

because you can't tolerate an opposing view

but you make a good point

why not just exterminate the poor and be done with them?

 

[TGregg]

Quote from bwolinsky:

. .just because unemployment benefits are there should not immediately discredit the individual as a 'deadbeat.' Their service obviously did not work out for the employer, and so now they need new employment.

The encouragement to re-enter the workforce is guaranteed to be prolonged for as long as possible as being paid simply to find work is a lot more profitable than doing something 'productive' for someone.

UEB!="being paid simply to find work". Better to say "being paid simply to not work" as that pay stops the moment they start working.

 

[bwolinsky]

Quote from piezoe:

Scat, I'd be surprised if there is reliable evidence of this.

If you changed your statement to read "...then take a low paying job" I'd be far more inclined to agree with you.

The problem is, Scat, that at less than $8 an hour there is no incentive to work if you're qualified for unemployment. It would be very bad for the economy if too many people were actually willing to turn down unemployment compensation to work for such demeaning wages. Capital loves low wages, but if they are too low it is not good for capital in the long run, and eight dollars per hour is too low; despite "America having been built on cheap labor."

The way to get people off the unemployment roles is to force wages to rise! If that isn't done, then your concern about the potential for a "permanently unemployed and drawing benefits occupation" may become a reality.

This suggestion is way more communist than what I was talking about.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from nutmeg:

We could raise wages by lowering UE insurance premiums to employers by paying out less in benefits. We could change what circumstances qualify for UE benefits. Fewer people would collect, perhaps more inclined to do a better job at work.

Tnat's an idea that might be worth exploring.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from bwolinsky:

This suggestion is way more communist than what I was talking about.

communist????

 

[piezoe]

Quote from oldtime:

the way to get people off the unemployment roles is to say, "We don't give a shit if you are unemployed or not."

Employment is a democratic idea. They want everybody to be an employee. That is the only way they can control them.

Go spend some time down in Mexico. Nobody is unemployed. Even if it as an old woman and her husband collecting fire kindling. You see them about when the sun goes down, and she is worn out, and he has a whole load of wood on his back.

But they are in business for themselves.

I like you piezoe, but I don't like your party's college educated superiority complex. You look down on employees, like they are the less fortunate. Your only solution to your misguided view of man is to form a union.

The other side believes in the dignity of the individual man (or woman.)

Thank you oldtime for an honest opinion. I'll take it under very serious consideration. You may very well be right.