Is the crypto winter over?

Here would be my math assuming halving is in April. So lets say 8 months of 3.125 bitcoins per block and 4 months or 6.25 bitcoins per block.

3.125 BTC x 6 blocks per hour x 24 hours x 30 day x 8 months = 108,000
6.25 BTC x 6 blocks per hour x 24 hours x 30 days x 4 months = 108,000

So it looks to me for 2024, there will be around 216k produced. Since there is so far about 100k extra inflow above the GBTC outflow, it will likely surpass what is produced this year. But it’s only been 1 month and we have no idea what the next few months hold.
I had seen a video saying that current net purchases were around 9000 BTC/day, so the simple projection added up to 329500 BTC demand for the year.
 
I had seen a video saying that current net purchases were around 9000 BTC/day, so the simple projection added up to 329500 BTC demand for the year.
Yes, I have seen that as well, but I do have to question if this type of buying is sustainable. On the one hand, I do think lots of funds will start adding BTC exposure via ETF purchases, but I also think that after a month of buying, this number will have to drop.

Plus, I think there will be fireworks in March regarding banking, and if markets start dropping, the rush for safety and liquidity might mean another drop. Selling ETFs is extremely liquid, and part of the reason why even I like having a huge chunk of these bitcoin ETFs, and not just coins in cold storage.
 
Yes, I have seen that as well, but I do have to question if this type of buying is sustainable…
I expect the ETF purchases to stay steady or increase until after the halving. The halving has to be the biggest selling point the funds have and I’m sure they’re beating the streets hard promising a no brainer investment . If the halving doesn’t produce a jump then it might be a harder sell after that.
 
Thanks for all the history.. I love it! It makes me remember a bit about why I didn't believe in bitcoin for so long. First, it was difficult to buy, and everything you say here just backs that up. I also wondered if anyone was ever able to sell. Did anyone actually get cash back? Today its obviously trivial, but I was so worried about being scammed that I didn't really do too much research. And last point, as you mentioned about stopping the illegal selling, I was worried that buying bitcoin could one day be deemed illegal since the US has such a wide sweeping rule book. Any proceeds coming from illegal acts or whatever it is could have been enough to get in trouble. So I figured if bitcoin is used for drugs, which it was, and the price goes up, then anyone participating in bitcoin could be targeted. Anyway... that's all in the past now.


I would almost take the flip side of this. How is it that initially, price dropped 20% after the ETF launch when the new ETFs were pretty much absorbing all the selling? And since there is a net increase now of 100k bitcoins locked away with ETF+GBTC than there was before the ETFs, why isn't price even higher? 100k of bitcoin sourced from who knows where has barely pushed up price since before the ETFs. I know bitcoin can easily spike 1k, 2k, 3k or more on little volume, but I would still think that price should be so much higher. So it doesn't add up. Its clearly not linear, but I still wonder where all that supply came from and why it came so cheaply.


I am so glad to have gotten rid of most of my silver. I have another $1k left to sell, and then I'm only left with about 20 1oz coins, which I may keep just for fun. Selling all my silver has shown me how stupid it is. Not only are the spreads insane, like 10-15%, but its also quite centralized. I literally have to line up and exchange my silver for cash, so in a way, I need permission to use it. If this place closes down, the silver is pretty much worthless to me. How else am I gonna exchange it?

Now obviously people can just buy the funds in their brokerage accounts, and that is so much better for this day and age, but I'm fairly certain that before any major price spikes happen to make people feel rich for holding it, the price will be manipulated back down.


Absolutely! And its actually a good thing. Let houses go back to being places where people lived and prices reflect the local wages and economy. There is no reason for housing to have a financial premium. Its killing society. Imagine if food had a financial premium and some fuckers snatch up 80% of the world flour production? Would we all be forced to pay $20 or $30 for a loaf of bread? This is exactly what has happened with RE, but now, as the financial premium of RE naturally evaporates, the carnage will begin.

In many popular cities, AirBnB is being outlawed, and its already having dramatic effects. I mean I don't like the government telling people what they can or can't do with their property, but government already fucked up RE so bad with 15 years of zero rates that it hasn't been a free market for a very long time. So government is now forced to take drastic measures because they can feel citizens getting their pitchforks ready. I just don't understand how the government wants to make RE affordable, which means a 50% drop, at least, and yet, not want to crash the market and economy, which is a 50% drop would do.

I think at some point, the exodus from the US and Canada will be clear to those people paying attention and with the means to leave. Canada is fucked from insane RE and explosive immigration, and US is fucked from the border crisis. Neither countries will be able to keep stable communities, and both countries only function right now because of massive deficit spending. But when things start falling apart, and they will, leaving will be the only choice.

I'm gonna come visit you in Asia... whereever you are!!! LOL I also love watching Tai Zen videos, and I see him delivering this very same message, from Thailand I believe. My YouTube feed is all about being an expat now. And although my shitty job here still pays the bills so I'm stuck for now, there is no future in my city, but luckily, also nothing holding me back from leaving other than a job.

Wow... what a tangent that was!! LOL

Good stuff and info, thank you for that! Tai is Vietnamese but I think he goes back and forth between Thailand and Vietnam for their crypto investor group and may own real estate in both countries

How is it that initially, price dropped 20% after the ETF launch when the new ETFs were pretty much absorbing all the selling? And since there is a net increase now of 100k bitcoins locked away with ETF+GBTC than there was before the ETFs, why isn't price even higher? 100k of bitcoin sourced from who knows where has barely pushed up price since before the ETFs. I know bitcoin can easily spike 1k, 2k, 3k or more on little volume, but I would still think that price should be so much higher. So it doesn't add up. Its clearly not linear, but I still wonder where all that supply came from and why it came so cheaply.

I don't understand it myself! I blame the JPM, Virtu, Jane Street market making games, they painted the tape bearish, did some momentum selling into liquidation price points and let the degens like me aggravate the selling when we got liquidated on our leveraged positions

This changed the over all market structure to bearish for a couple of weeks

But it doesn't last, the inflows matter, the bitcoins being acquired by the ETF's matter in the longer time frame

As an aside, saw a post, I think it was Mike Alfred saying he knows a whale that sold 75% of the bitcoin stash and put the money to the ETF's and supposedly this is not the only who's doing this

That could be a source of selling... SEC fu gift to us with the cash-creates vs in-kind creates that would not have necessitated selling

Now, for the life of me don't understand why any bitcoiner who has held for so long and is a whale, would do such a thing.... but if you consider this is a part of enjoying the riches, estate planning, diversification.... with the ETF's as collateral, maybe get those private deals 1% interest bank loans like was shown in that bank bankruptcy can't remember the name, then they get to be part of the system that benefits without paying taxes but still able to live in luxury
 
Yes, I have seen that as well, but I do have to question if this type of buying is sustainable. On the one hand, I do think lots of funds will start adding BTC exposure via ETF purchases, but I also think that after a month of buying, this number will have to drop.

or increase.... RIA's are not able to buy new products for at least 3 months so the trillions locked up under their management are yet to come to the bitcoin spot ETF's
 
Now, for the life of me don't understand why any bitcoiner who has held for so long and is a whale, would do such a thing.... but if you consider this is a part of enjoying the riches, estate planning, diversification.... with the ETF's as collateral, maybe get those private deals 1% interest bank loans like was shown in that bank bankruptcy can't remember the name, then they get to be part of the system that benefits without paying taxes but still able to live in luxury
These are all good reasons, and I think another is actually added safety. Look at all the fallout from the Ledger customer hack. If people know your name and address, you're a prime target. But you don't really hear of too many being robbed from their brokerage account. I think the diversification aspect is also huge, and especially so if you have a large stack. So I think having coins in cold storage with multiple keys is smart, but also having your bitcoin in an ETF is also smart.
 
As an aside, saw a post, I think it was Mike Alfred saying he knows a whale that sold 75% of the bitcoin stash and put the money to the ETF's and supposedly this is not the only who's doing this

I suppose some people might consider it safer having their wealth in an ETF rather than having custody of it themselves. Less risk of loss, theft, extortion, ransom etc?

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some people have died over the years and their coins have been lost with them. At least with an ETF, it is a traceable asset.
 
These are all good reasons, and I think another is actually added safety. Look at all the fallout from the Ledger customer hack. If people know your name and address, you're a prime target. But you don't really hear of too many being robbed from their brokerage account. I think the diversification aspect is also huge, and especially so if you have a large stack. So I think having coins in cold storage with multiple keys is smart, but also having your bitcoin in an ETF is also smart.

Yes, security from that standpoint is great, but it doesn't protect from a 6102 attack, but it's a good balance with the 25% left on the local wallet

I suppose some people might consider it safer having their wealth in an ETF rather than having custody of it themselves. Less risk of loss, theft, extortion, ransom etc?

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some people have died over the years and their coins have been lost with them. At least with an ETF, it is a traceable asset.

Very true, every day I worry about this if something happens to me and always do a practice exercise regularly with the wife and review all the notes of what to do
 
Call me a helpless degen, but gotten in short (yet again!) @ 51.3K. I only regret that I didn't jump in sooner when it retraced back up to 53K.

SL 53.3K
 
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