Is Stock Worth Anything ?

Yes and I know all of that, of course, but I'm talking about actual intrinsic value to an individual investor, not a theoretical, political, or philosophical kind of value.

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It makes me think about deeds to land on planets circling other stars .. yes, if it were internationally recognized (which they aren't) they would have some theoretical value, but....

You posed a philosophical question asking for a non philosophical answer?
 
Think of it as allocating Capital to a business you think can make the best use of it. Shorting a company can be seen as essentially taking capital away from a company. For a fun trade, short a company you don’t believe in and take those proceeds and plow them into a company in the same sector you do believe in. It’s essentially a reallocation of capital from a company who doesn’t use it as efficiently to one who uses it more efficiently.
 
You posed a philosophical question asking for a non philosophical answer?

No, I asked what advantage does stock ownership convey other than dividends and the chance to trade in the hopes of having a capital gain ? I followed that up with another question, if the stock doesn't have a capital gain and pays no dividend, what's the &^%$ing point ?

I admit that is a philosophical statement ... that all stock owners are nothing more than traders with different time horizons ... but it wasn't a philosophical question.
 
No, I asked what advantage does stock ownership convey other than dividends and the chance to trade in the hopes of having a capital gain ? I followed that up with another question, if the stock doesn't have a capital gain and pays no dividend, what's the &^%$ing point ?

I admit that is a philosophical statement ... that all stock owners are nothing more than traders with different time horizons ... but it wasn't a philosophical question.

You are legally entitled to many rights as a minority stockholder. Just that you are not aware of them.
 
No, I asked what advantage does stock ownership convey other than dividends and the chance to trade in the hopes of having a capital gain ? I followed that up with another question, if the stock doesn't have a capital gain and pays no dividend, what's the &^%$ing point ?

I admit that is a philosophical statement ... that all stock owners are nothing more than traders with different time horizons ... but it wasn't a philosophical question.

I disagree. What makes an apple with $0.50? It's the knowledge the buyers and sellers have about the value of that apple. If there are no capital gains, then the company is pouring money (if they make money) back into the company in order to make better capital gains in the future. Investing in your future is a good thing, unless the business model is dead. If the person at your proverbial convenience store understands this better than you, then maybe they are a buyer of your stock that you think is just a concept. It's about present value of the future value of all cash flows. And stocks fluctuate because everyone's opinion on the future value changes. And everyone's calculation of the cost of capital for the firm is different and changing. That effects FV and PV.

Anyhow, there's tons of literature out there that covers all of this. I mean, what is money?
 
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No, I asked what advantage does stock ownership convey other than dividends and the chance to trade in the hopes of having a capital gain ? I followed that up with another question, if the stock doesn't have a capital gain and pays no dividend, what's the &^%$ing point ?

I admit that is a philosophical statement ... that all stock owners are nothing more than traders with different time horizons ... but it wasn't a philosophical question.

Your thread is pointless and just illustrates your complete lack of understanding of the topic. I'd like to think you are just trolling the board but alas some of you are dead serious when you post these idiotic theories on this site.
 
Your thread is pointless and just illustrates your complete lack of understanding of the topic. I'd like to think you are just trolling the board but alas some of you are dead serious when you post these idiotic theories on this site.

Because someone named Nine_Ender said so, of course ... without an argument. You'd think you'd at least try to make an argument. Does this kind of BS work where you live ? You just walk into a room and ... everything is nonsense because Nine_Ender said so ...
 
The paper its printed on...after fees :p

To the individual investor, I mean.

Yes, it has a theoretical worth, a percentage of the corporation, but if it is an individual investor who owns 0.000000005% of the corporation, and the investor is not teamed up with other investors to have an influential voting role in the corporation, do they really own anything ?

It isn't like they can walk into the corporation and start making demands for a company car in exchange for their shares, or have any role in the corporation what-so-ever. They have no real voting power, they don't sit on the board, at this point they don't even have a paper certificate, they are just a blip on a monitor somewhere.

Beyond their meager hopes to sell to a greater fool, do individual investors actually own anything when they "own" stock ?

Does stock have any actual intrinsic value for an individual investor ?
 
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